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and good afternoon for Philadelphia

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James coming up from Westchester New

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York Frank here welcome to UFO news

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network Sunday this afternoon we've got

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the first of a number of huge shows

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we've got coming up we've got Ranieri o

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Hernandez phat co-founder of the

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foundation for research into

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himself and he's got also going to talk

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about a survey that the free foundation

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did of more than 3,200 contactees and

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what that data reveals ray thanks for

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right coming right there yes thank you

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for invitation absolutely absolutely

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now before we get into the meat and

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potatoes with Ray though normally yeah

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we can get right into it but then we've

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actually got that quite a lineup of

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shows and we want to start plugging him

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now this is like the holiday season and

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the folks are getting some early

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Christmas presents from us the first one

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is that the show here today with ray but

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over the next few weeks we're gonna have

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next week a Twitter roundtable a second

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one of those Danny Silva's gonna be back

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James is that right correct that's

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correct

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Twitter Jay is gonna be in on that one

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Chris Wilford is gonna be a Chris

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Wolford is going to be back with us on

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that one and in a bit of a coup as far

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as I know is a first appearance on a

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podcast related to UFOs anywhere Ryan

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from post disclosure world UFO Jesus

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himself this yep UFO Jesus himself is

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gonna be here so that's gonna be a lot

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of fun we've got that coming up we've

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also got in the works no specific date

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set but some of the attendees are

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already locked in there they've already

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agreed to do with this sort of an

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ultimate Rendlesham forest incident

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roundtable with John Burroughs who was

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there so he should know a little bit

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about it grant Cameron we've got a

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couple more folks Danny's coming back on

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that one as well

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Jane

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correct yeah yeah he wrote the article

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on his website silver record and you

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know he did a pretty good overview and

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and he's gonna have some commentary on

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that too okay so we've got that we don't

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have a date set on that but that I would

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think we'll get that put together before

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the end of the year is that about right

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James oh for sure for sure yeah so we've

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got those two shows they're booked we've

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got let's see yeah well we should have

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at least a one other show I would think

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that before the end of the year we've

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got a few irons in the fire so those

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will be good shows at least one more so

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we've got two basically you have four

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four holiday presents for the folks

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listening at home and today we don't

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we've got one of them already so let's

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get that one open because I'm all

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excited ray Hernandez a co-founder of

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the free foundation involved in putting

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together the contactee study ray sorry

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to keep you waiting there but we got to

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get our good news out and the rest of

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the show is for you to get your good

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news out how are you today right very

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good thank you for the invitation

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absolutely absolutely so a ray the the

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free foundation was co-founded with you

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Rudy shield Mary rod well and a name I

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think most of our listeners will

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absolutely have heard before the sixth

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man to walk on the moon Edgar Mitchell

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can you tell tell the folks a little bit

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about how the free foundation that got

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organized in the first place okay first

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of all the name of the organization is

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the dr. Edgar Mitchell foundation for

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research into extraterrestrial and

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extraordinary experiences secondly we

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are an academic research institute the

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vast majority of our board of directors

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and advisers are PhDs most of them are

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academics so this is not just raid on

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end there's putting a little dog and

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pony show here these are retired PhD

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academics we've had a total of three PhD

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academics for example like dr. Claude

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Princeton University dr. oh my goodness

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dr. Dean Radin for example Wow

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example the the world's most famous

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academic that's research near-death

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experiences the the director of our

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organization our academic research

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institute is dr. rudy shields rudy is a

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retired professor of astral array you

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dropped off yeah you dropped off so as

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astrophysics at Harvard University so

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been pioneers in this field that were

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of PhD psychology

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leading authorities on individuals that

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have seen UFOs and have had contact

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experiences married rod well she has

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research and supported over 3,000

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experiencers Barbara lamb again another

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person that has worked with thousands of

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experiencers and that's just a name a

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few denise toner is another person she

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has worked with hundreds of experiencers

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mph on their experience or research team

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on the paranormal he's published more

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dealing with ufology so just to give you

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an idea of the type of people that were

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okay so this is a real all-star team

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you've got together but how did it get

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put together in the first place and how

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did Edgar Mitchell get involved well it

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full exact details of how it started but

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was was co-founded why did you go into

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of noetic Sciences together why why was

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parapsychology because they will have

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was associated with with these topics

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understood understood okay now let's see

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and also what a lot of people don't know

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that all of the this phenomena which we

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all the different ways that humans are

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our organization they know that it's one

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phenomenon but science at this point

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this point to to put it in a laboratory

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to test it out reduplicated but everyone

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interrelated and that was why we decided

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research as the first of many research

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enterprises in the contact modalities

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and now you've got a survey together

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which you've compiled into a book beyond

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first read it basically yeah it's a this

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is a direct quote the true story of UAP

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not being accurately presented freeze

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route right that is a that's a pretty

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well it's accurate let me ask you a

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question how many academic studies have

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right right you you spoke with hundreds

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of experiences so let me throw the

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question to you how many academic

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studies have there been on this topic

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an academic study dr. John Mack well

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what he did is he only had 200

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individuals that knocked on his office

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and wanted it to seek therapy okay so

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that's not really academic research

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study that's just 200 people that

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knocked on his door just just like David

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Jacobs that most he worked and he

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publicly has stated it 200 people just

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like but Hopkins that's it so these are

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200 people that have knocked on your

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door and you've got you've gotten a

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surveys from more than 3200 individuals

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qualitative we asked over 600

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quantitative questions and again that

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was prepared by this team that I told

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you about and we also asked 70

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open-ended questions that means we asked

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70 specific questions and we asked

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these 70 questions we wound up with more

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than 10,000 pages of writings from at

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that point the cutoff that we did the

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hundred countries also what makes us

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distinct from any other research study

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is that like I told you before Kathy

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Martin maybe five years ago she and Ken

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and Annie stoner who both both of them

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worked on this research study are

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developing questions and and and

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reviewing it they did a sistah chol

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study where the only asked 50 questions

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and they only had 50 individuals and

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these 50 individuals were selected by

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them these were basically abductees okay

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so and then the the type of questions

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that they asked were mainly abduction

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related type of questions now what we

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discovered in our survey was that only

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1/3 of the people that have seen UFOs

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and have had contact with non-human

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intelligence are actually abductees so

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that means that her study and some of

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the other smaller studies that have been

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done in the past again very limited

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number of participants in questions they

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only focused on one third of these

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individuals so that's why we made that

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bold statement that we knew absolutely

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almost nothing about this phenomenon

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before our survey and I still stand by

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and every member of our board still

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stands by it and the reason why a lot of

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our findings contradict much of what's

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is circulating in ufology is because the

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data was never derived okay we never had

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that data and now how this data was

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administered we administered it first of

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all we sent emails anyone that's ever

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written a book about the paranormal or

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UFOs or you know aliens or abductions

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each of these individuals got a an email

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we also sent it off to different

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websites that have ufology related

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topics they all received one we also

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appeared in over a hundred radio shows

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the members of board of directors and

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this was you know one radio show every

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week at least over a three year period

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we also advertise it on Facebook on over

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500 Facebook sites these included new

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follow G MUFON abductions aliens the

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paranormal any place that there could be

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someone that have might have seen a UFO

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and have contact without him

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intelligence that Facebook site got one

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post

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once a week for three years announcing

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our surveys and that's why we got so

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many people yeah all the groups correct

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as you mention James so if someone had

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these experiences they knew about our

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survey now our survey took forever to

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complete that was the major complaint by

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so many people it just took so long to

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do because we had so many questions the

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Phase three questions he's opening the

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questions it took people days to

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complete these questions even the Phase

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two you could not do that at one sitting

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you had to do it over several days

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because it literally the average was

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anywhere from between two to five hours

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to complete because we even had another

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instrument that measured how long it

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took the people to complete it so this

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was a comprehensive survey developed and

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supervised by both academics and non

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academics that were experts in this

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field it was done in a neutral setting

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the questions that we asked were

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abduction related questions non

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abduction related questions you know for

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the good the bad and the ugly okay so it

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wasn't biased in any way if someone had

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a negative experience they had numerous

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opportunities to talk about that

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negative experience in multiple sets of

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questions so for the first time we're

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able to find out what the hell is really

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going on with this phenomenon and that's

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why our study is so important and yet

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the field of mainstream ufology has not

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recognized this they're having you know

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you know all of these these people

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invited to these UFO conferences all

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over the world and you know these people

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are not even experiencers so many of

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these people and the stories that

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they're telling have nothing to do with

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what these 4,200 people have told us it

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just seems like totally out of place and

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yet these people are not researchers

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they have no data and they have nothing

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to back up the statements that they make

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so our approach is an academic approach

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a scientific approach comprehensive

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approach based upon data

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from real experiences now another issue

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people are saying oh people can make up

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they can lie whatever you know well if

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someone is gonna be lying and making

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stuff up they would have had to spend at

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least eight hours to do these surveys

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okay yeah who the hell is gonna be going

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out of their way to lie and to deceive

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if they got to spend eight hours doing

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this okay that's number one

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secondly we've had interest in the

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English language 4200 people so even if

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10% of the people were lying

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that's 420 people yeah you've got it you

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got a big enough universe that it's

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gonna sort of wash that out exactly and

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you're not gonna have 420 people lying

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maybe 1% maybe 42 okay so but then we

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also did in in our book as you saw in

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the very beginning we did a statistical

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analysis per countries per country we

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grouped the US as one category Canada as

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another one Australia and New Zealand as

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another one we had the UK as a separate

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group and mainland Europe and what we

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discovered when we put all of the

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different responses to the questions in

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these different country groups that the

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percentage variance in how they

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responded to the questions did not

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deviate more than ten percentage points

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okay it was consistent no matter what

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country they were from what area so that

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means that people were answering the

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same way to the same question all over

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the world and that's another tool to

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test whether our statistical study was

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valid or not well that also kind of

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points into the direction that this this

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phenomenon or these phenomena are

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transcultural they transcend all

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cultures correct transcend languages

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because we did it in multiple languages

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well in Spanish we have almost 850

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people that took all surveys and for

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them very consistent to the English

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language it's actually more positive

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much more positive experiences in the

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Spanish language a couple of other

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things I want to note is that our

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organization just

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some of your listeners that are out

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there we are not a ufology organization

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we have zero interest in nuts and bolts

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ufology reviewing photos videos metals

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of you ApS conspiracy theories secret

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space program a question I want to throw

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to both of you

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both of you have been following you

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follow G for many years now over the

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last 70 years what have we learned from

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ufology well as what you can say from

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Jacques Ellul a will say is that we

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we've discovered that ufology has no

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ontology okay it's mostly grounded in

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ideology I'm just pointing that out yeah

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myself and myself I think there's

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something there I do like the cases I do

449
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like their nuts and bolts cases that are

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backed up at where the witnesses are

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backed up by radar I like those case so

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I think they're important cases too okay

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but I like it all I think it's also we

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know UFOs exist if you're an experiencer

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or if you've seen UFOs yourself you know

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they exist

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okay you know that there are videos out

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there you know there are photos out

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there some of you might have even taken

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photos okay outside of that I mean what

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else have we learned now compare that

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with what we've learned from the data

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from our book okay Alexander he also

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correct he wrote one of the chapters in

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our book now what people don't know

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about dr. Alexander is that he wrote his

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PhD dissertation on near-death

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experiences his dissertation adviser was

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Elizabeth kubler-ross

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okay he also after Kenneth ring founded

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it with Raymond moody and this other

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individual he became the president of

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the International Association of

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near-death studies he also spent several

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months with Robert Monroe learning how

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to do out-of-body experiences he also

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worked for many many months with remote

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viewers he knows all of the major remote

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viewers by first-name basis you know how

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to do remote viewing he learned how to

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do it he's also gone to all the

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continents to work with shaman's

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I don't think he'll admit it but I know

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his wife has experimented with ayahuasca

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they've been there in mushroom

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ceremonies ayahuasca ceremonies he also

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has visited numerous times John of God

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in in Brazil where all these healings

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have taken place okay so here is the man

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that knows about the contact modalities

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he knows that it's all interrelated and

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that's what he wrote about in our

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chapter okay and you know he has a book

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he has a book called the reality denied

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and in the book he kind of goes over a

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lot he goes you know from everything

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from psychic phenomenon yeah and you

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know you ap and and all these different

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experiences he taught as a chapter where

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he's out with Chris Bledsoe and and

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Chris Bledsoe says hey wait I think

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they're here and they look up and boom

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you know there's a crap right there and

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you know - Chris Bledsoe and John

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Alexander's credit the reason I brought

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John Alexander up and in this context

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was that in ufology you know see the

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point you're making is we haven't really

509
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found out too much but a lot of the good

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data is kind of you know tucked away so

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to speak and you know Bigelow might be

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you know have some of it and you know

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some of it were in those you know secret

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but not classified programs like a tip

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north so and you know he was kind of in

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those circles so you know he was exposed

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to some of the some of the actual

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research that's going on that really

519
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hasn't come out to publicly like with

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nades and Bess

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well I talked to him you know quite

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frequently I used him use him to to give

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me ideas about what other researchers

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are out there because what we're trying

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to do and free for our next volume or

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volume two is we're going to try to

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write a book that's a theoretical book

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about the contact modalities and the

529
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question that we're asking is what is

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cosmology which is the true nature of

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our universe and contact with non-human

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intelligence via the contact modalities

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and he's one of the few people that

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actually understands it just like

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members of our board of directors like

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rudy shields and edgar mitchell mary rod

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well Kathy Martin who just came out of

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the closet at our free conference

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several months ago as a full-blown

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experiencer and she's had many

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experiences through the contact

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modalities so and so what he told me

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rate was that ray most of the

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individuals that he's spoken with the

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the Parata folks in the

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parapsychological Association

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he's also associated with the Society

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for scientific exploration and they're

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like the premier scientific organization

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that's focusing on alternative theories

551
00:26:29,070 --> 00:26:25,650
on the paranormal on consciousness and

552
00:26:30,990 --> 00:26:29,080
parapsychology on ufology etc as a

553
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:31,000
matter of fact Jacques Vallee was one of

554
00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:34,290
the keynote speakers there at their last

555
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:37,060
event as well as the parapsychological

556
00:26:43,290 --> 00:26:39,850
Association was Jacques Vallee okay yeah

557
00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:43,300
and so our focus in our organization

558
00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:45,580
we're not a nuts-and-bolts ufology

559
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:48,430
organization our focus is on

560
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,370
consciousness okay because that's the

561
00:26:56,910 --> 00:26:53,580
key to understanding this phenomenon

562
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,920
what is the nature of our reality by

563
00:27:01,950 --> 00:26:58,960
undertaking cross comparative research

564
00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:01,960
of individuals that are having contact

565
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:04,060
with non-human intelligence via the

566
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:07,450
contact modalities and what we what

567
00:27:11,910 --> 00:27:10,030
organization not just ray Fernandez this

568
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:11,920
is all of these people in organization

569
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:14,460
we hypothesize that we are entering

570
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:16,630
interacting with non-human intelligence

571
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,420
via various paranormal modalities and

572
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:22,000
that all of these contact modalities is

573
00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:24,310
in fact one phenomenon and that

574
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:27,190
consciousness is the glue that unifies

575
00:27:33,630 --> 00:27:30,940
the contact modalities and and again

576
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:33,640
Edgar Newton knew about it Rudy knew

577
00:27:38,639 --> 00:27:35,860
about it dr. Dean Radin

578
00:27:40,830 --> 00:27:38,649
knows about it dr. Claude Swanson the

579
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,840
PhD physicist from Princeton who wrote a

580
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:42,399
book 20 years ago titled

581
00:27:49,139 --> 00:27:46,210
the synchronized universe dr. Kenneth

582
00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:49,149
ring knows about it brats Tiger knew

583
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:51,669
about it and many many other individuals

584
00:27:59,490 --> 00:27:55,330
but mainstream ufology is still and and

585
00:28:01,740 --> 00:27:59,500
also Jacques Vallee knows about it ok

586
00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:01,750
but we're still stuck in this

587
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:04,600
materialist mindset of mainstream

588
00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:07,330
ufology and what we think is that the

589
00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:10,840
data from our book can begin to point a

590
00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:12,669
direction towards a different direction

591
00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:15,519
a different paradigm and that is a non

592
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:19,539
materialist paradigm of nonlocality what

593
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:22,630
does nonlocality means ok it means that

594
00:28:28,769 --> 00:28:25,210
consciousness is independent of the

595
00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:28,779
brain that when individuals are having

596
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:30,580
these experiences through the contact

597
00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:33,190
modalities the vast majority of these

598
00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:38,350
are at an arena that's independent of

599
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:43,000
our 3d reality ok for example we've had

600
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:45,010
almost double the number of individuals

601
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:49,289
that were taken to what I call a matrix

602
00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:53,440
reality ok and and that's defined as a

603
00:28:58,799 --> 00:28:57,220
non 3-dimensional reality where your

604
00:29:00,539 --> 00:28:58,809
consciousness is brought to that

605
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:00,549
location ok

606
00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:02,200
like for example have you guys seen the

607
00:29:05,639 --> 00:29:05,019
movie contact with Jodie Foster oh yes

608
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:05,649
of course

609
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:09,039
ok all right very very well-known and

610
00:29:15,690 --> 00:29:11,950
also like the Matrix movie movies ok

611
00:29:17,789 --> 00:29:15,700
where your consciousness are taken out

612
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:17,799
and you brought to another reality oK

613
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:20,380
we've had almost double the number of

614
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,090
people that have had that experience

615
00:29:28,769 --> 00:29:24,480
then people that have had an abduction

616
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:28,779
ok yeah now does mainstream ufology know

617
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:33,070
about that no but the researchers in the

618
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:33,490
field

619
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:37,690
leo sprinkle Barbara Lam okay Denise

620
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:42,250
toner marry rod well Kathy Mardon okay

621
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:44,289
all of these people have been working

622
00:29:48,690 --> 00:29:45,820
with experiences for many many years

623
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:48,700
they know that David Jacobs and but

624
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:49,450
Hopkins

625
00:29:54,419 --> 00:29:52,169
never accepted that because anytime

626
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:54,429
anyone approached them with a positive

627
00:29:59,340 --> 00:29:57,010
experience they'd say well why don't you

628
00:30:00,419 --> 00:29:59,350
go to see Leo sprinkle okay cuz I can't

629
00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:00,429
help you okay

630
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:02,830
even my cleveland discussed that

631
00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:04,690
publicly Reverend Michael Carter

632
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:06,190
discussed that publicly

633
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:08,110
I've spoken with three or four people

634
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:10,690
that had gone to Budd Hopkins and he

635
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:12,250
basically told them look I can't work

636
00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:14,049
with you because I don't accept that

637
00:30:19,259 --> 00:30:17,559
you know and so and let alone people

638
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:19,269
being brought to this matrix reality

639
00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:21,070
they said look that's not within my

640
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:23,980
paradigm I don't accept it I cannot work

641
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:27,610
with you and so a lot of that literature

642
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:29,860
never got publicized because the

643
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:33,070
paradigm was established by people by

644
00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:35,289
those individuals you look at Whitley

645
00:30:39,659 --> 00:30:37,320
Strieber when he first started off okay

646
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:39,669
very very similar to the Budd Hopkins

647
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:44,559
David Jacobs paradigm okay but then over

648
00:30:49,529 --> 00:30:47,470
time his experiences changed just like

649
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,539
the vast majority the people in our

650
00:30:54,899 --> 00:30:52,559
surveys okay it became more positive

651
00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:54,909
instead of dealing with the Grays he

652
00:31:01,440 --> 00:30:57,340
began associating with human looking

653
00:31:04,409 --> 00:31:01,450
beings okay with energy beings with

654
00:31:07,169 --> 00:31:04,419
ghost and spirit type of beings and no

655
00:31:08,669 --> 00:31:07,179
longer with these Gray's that's the same

656
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:08,679
pattern that we found out in our

657
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:11,350
research study and a subsequent result

658
00:31:15,779 --> 00:31:12,880
from that was that the experiences

659
00:31:19,470 --> 00:31:15,789
became more positive now he's all love

660
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:19,480
and light okay the man that that made

661
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:20,740
famous you know

662
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:23,500
anal probes okay and just the sheer

663
00:31:27,779 --> 00:31:25,750
fright of the of contact with not with

664
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:27,789
with aliens

665
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:31,630
okay now he's the total opposite of it

666
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:35,039
now he gives thanks to them for

667
00:31:39,899 --> 00:31:38,019
illuminating his life okay that those

668
00:31:41,639 --> 00:31:39,909
are the same findings that we have in

669
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:41,649
our research study but mainstream

670
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:44,110
ufology they will not accept rate

671
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:45,940
whitley strieber but they did it embrace

672
00:31:51,419 --> 00:31:49,360
him when he first began okay yeah

673
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,429
Jacques Vallee what he first stopped

674
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,960
publishing these things they all fully

675
00:31:58,879 --> 00:31:55,120
embrace them but now that valet is

676
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,889
talking about non extra-terrestrial

677
00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:01,080
definitions of what might be going on

678
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:03,520
consciousness related definition

679
00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:05,860
okay all of a sudden he won't go to

680
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:07,780
these ufology conferences because he

681
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:09,570
says they're all filled with with coops

682
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:12,580
okay and and and that's not direction

683
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:15,100
that ufology needs to go to so it

684
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:17,290
totally is disassociated with these

685
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:20,410
people and and so what what we're trying

686
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:22,690
to do in our organization is we're

687
00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:25,690
trying for the first time ever okay is

688
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:28,750
to bring data of the experiencer to this

689
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:31,930
phenomenon data grounded in science and

690
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:33,850
in academic research and what it's

691
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:35,800
demonstrating is that much of what's

692
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:37,930
been circulating in mainstream ufology

693
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:43,720
is totally off all right no oh go ahead

694
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:44,710
guy James

695
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,740
no go ahead rheya how did you get

696
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:49,120
involved in all this in the first place

697
00:32:53,670 --> 00:32:51,280
you sound like a you're pretty driven

698
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:53,680
for getting this information out and the

699
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,530
question is obviously yeah how come well

700
00:33:00,390 --> 00:32:58,720
I don't want to go into too much details

701
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:00,400
because it'll take forever but basically

702
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:05,560
I have an academic background I went to

703
00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:08,410
Cornell for a master's I went to

704
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:10,300
University of California Berkeley for a

705
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:13,690
PhD that's the University that has the

706
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:15,930
most Nobel Prize winners in the world

707
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,770
and I completed all of my coursework all

708
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:23,200
of my written and oral exams and I was

709
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:24,250
on my way to writing my dissertation

710
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:27,790
when my ex-wife got a brain aneurysm and

711
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:31,210
I had a family to feed and I had a quit

712
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,730
writing my dissertation and and take two

713
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:35,440
full time jobs so I was never able to

714
00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:38,970
get my PhD I then later on in life

715
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:42,520
became an attorney and and that's my

716
00:33:48,150 --> 00:33:45,730
profession now so but I I did teach for

717
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:48,160
six years as an attorney at the New

718
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:49,810
School for Social Research and at the

719
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:52,930
City University of New York but my

720
00:34:00,270 --> 00:33:55,870
mindset is still as an academic so I was

721
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:00,280
a total rationalist atheist materialist

722
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:05,260
until March 4th of 2012 and now it

723
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:07,450
should be very very brief basically this

724
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:10,980
energy being appeared in my living room

725
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:14,530
took my wife and my dog into some other

726
00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:17,050
type of location my wife has 45 minutes

727
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:17,240
of

728
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:19,510
time our dog we were gonna be

729
00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:22,669
euthanizing later that afternoon when my

730
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:24,860
dog Reid appeared with my wife right in

731
00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:26,389
front of me

732
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:29,480
the dog was completely healed completely

733
00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:33,320
healed before she was totally paralyzed

734
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:36,860
and then two months later my wife saw a

735
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:39,290
big gigantic UFO right outside our house

736
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:43,730
I called them you AP's unidentified

737
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,110
aerial phenomenon and then my wife went

738
00:34:52,899 --> 00:34:49,760
to Mexico for a month and there she

739
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,909
called down without even knowing the

740
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:55,280
terminology or even know knowing that

741
00:34:59,920 --> 00:34:57,410
there some people use protocols no she

742
00:35:02,380 --> 00:34:59,930
was just praying to see her angels again

743
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:02,390
and lo and behold poof you know these

744
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:04,430
these ships would appear sometimes very

745
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:06,890
close up and one time she saw three

746
00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:08,900
human-looking being seven to eight feet

747
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:12,440
tall with bald heads with a white munch

748
00:35:16,359 --> 00:35:14,090
robes that floated right in front of her

749
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,369
so she had been having these experiences

750
00:35:22,780 --> 00:35:19,520
of mekin Mexico she comes back and then

751
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:22,790
I then again without not knowing the

752
00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:25,850
terminology or any protocols I just was

753
00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:27,500
outside one night waiting for a friend

754
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:31,340
and I wanted to see you know this

755
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:32,810
non-human intelligence that I've been

756
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:35,150
interacting with my wife and I wanted to

757
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:38,020
give them thanks for healing our dog and

758
00:35:42,609 --> 00:35:40,670
the very beginning I wasn't very sincere

759
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:42,619
but then I became very very sincere and

760
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:46,210
within 15 minutes this football stadium

761
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:50,000
size object appears right on top of my

762
00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:52,070
next-door neighbor's house it was like

763
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:55,550
five feet from his roof and 30 feet away

764
00:36:00,370 --> 00:35:58,010
from me and then there was telepathic

765
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:00,380
communication that took place eventually

766
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:02,930
my daughter was with me for 45 minutes

767
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:06,560
and these three adult friends and and

768
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:08,570
then after it was after that incident

769
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:11,570
that then it was like an explosion of

770
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:14,750
the contact modalities with me in terms

771
00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:17,060
of out-of-body experiences near-death

772
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:19,820
related type of experiences telepathic

773
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:23,330
communication downloads of science and

774
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:27,230
physics you know very similar to what

775
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,390
you you've heard from from Chris Bledsoe

776
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:31,140
and several other individuals

777
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:33,330
and that lasted for like an additional

778
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:36,510
two years and so what I did is

779
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,370
immediately after it first started I

780
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:40,920
thought was paranormal related so not

781
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:43,230
knowing anything about these topics I

782
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:45,510
went to the Internet and all that it was

783
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:47,880
just confused me two months afterwards I

784
00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:50,970
then realized two months later then

785
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:53,070
realized that this might be you were

786
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:55,170
four related because my wife had seen

787
00:37:01,100 --> 00:36:57,960
that huge object outside her house she

788
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:01,110
goes oh I saw my angels last night they

789
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:04,200
came a beautiful angelic craft with

790
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:05,850
stained glass windows just like our

791
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:08,520
church you know so I asked her to draw

792
00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:10,830
it what she drew was a beach again the

793
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:13,590
Goodyear blimp with lights on on the

794
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:17,070
edges these colorful lights and so and

795
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:19,830
then I began to go into UFOs I I bought

796
00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:22,890
tons of books I was hooked or all the

797
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,870
different you know websites and YouTube

798
00:37:29,540 --> 00:37:27,060
videos and all that did was just

799
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:29,550
confused me more because all these folks

800
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:31,260
were contradicting each other that's

801
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:35,070
number one and then secondly half of

802
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:37,170
these folks consider themselves experts

803
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:39,480
on the field and they're the only ones

804
00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:42,450
that had the answers you know so but yet

805
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:44,550
when I when I did an academic literature

806
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:47,700
review of the phenomenon what I realized

807
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:51,330
it was almost Zippo almost nothing was

808
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,190
written about it academically you just

809
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:54,960
had a hundred people going to these

810
00:38:00,590 --> 00:37:57,710
lecture circuits just uh you know

811
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:00,600
talking about what they had spoken to

812
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:03,210
other experiencers and so I quickly

813
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:06,660
realized that this field while they

814
00:38:10,370 --> 00:38:08,220
might have an understanding of what they

815
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:10,380
think might be going on we really don't

816
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,450
know because the formal research

817
00:38:16,660 --> 00:38:14,640
comprehensive research had never been

818
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:16,670
done before

819
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:21,210
and then at some point you guys started

820
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:23,490
contacting people and word got to dr.

821
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:26,250
Mitchell and then he contacted you know

822
00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:27,750
it was a little bit more interesting

823
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:31,230
than that but I'd rather not get into it

824
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:33,720
because uh once you tell people what how

825
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:36,180
it really went down then you start being

826
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,970
attacked for making things up and losing

827
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:40,800
credibility so you know I really don't

828
00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:43,140
want to go there but if I read the the

829
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:45,160
prelude to the book the free

830
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:47,230
the detail of how free got started is in

831
00:38:53,370 --> 00:38:51,240
there got it got it okay okay so uh

832
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:53,380
basically the proof is in the pudding

833
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:55,270
you've got the the data you've got the

834
00:39:01,770 --> 00:38:57,970
survey done at least phase one and two

835
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,780
of it and the big takeaway really is two

836
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:04,240
thirds sixty-six percent came away with

837
00:39:10,110 --> 00:39:07,680
a positive result from the experience

838
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:10,120
twenty nine neutral I guess it's not

839
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:11,500
kind of hard to figure out how you could

840
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:12,730
have an experience like that and have it

841
00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:15,070
be neutral but really ninety-five

842
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:18,520
percent people are not negative let's

843
00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:20,890
put it that way yeah I mean we asked

844
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:22,150
that question let me look at that pie

845
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:25,000
chart we asked that question how would

846
00:39:30,570 --> 00:39:27,970
you describe your experiences okay was

847
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:30,580
it positive negative or neutral and this

848
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:33,640
was a forced choice response so I mean

849
00:39:37,290 --> 00:39:35,260
people how to answer this in order to

850
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:37,300
move forward okay and what what they

851
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:39,490
answered was that 66 percent said it was

852
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:44,140
positive neutral was 29% and negative

853
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:46,390
was five percent but we also asked that

854
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:47,770
question in more than twenty different

855
00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:51,790
ways okay let me just go over the the

856
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:53,560
the four major findings very very

857
00:39:59,730 --> 00:39:57,490
briefly okay number one contact was

858
00:40:03,690 --> 00:39:59,740
overwhelmingly positive that's number

859
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:03,700
one number to contact resulted in a

860
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:05,950
positive transformation of the

861
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:07,780
experiencer you know their psychological

862
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:10,510
profile of who they are okay number

863
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:11,770
three

864
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:15,670
contact was primarily not physical it

865
00:40:20,730 --> 00:40:18,970
was primarily paranormal and what I mean

866
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:20,740
by that is that okay you might have seen

867
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:23,800
a couple of UFOs you might have had a

868
00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:25,540
being or to you know appear in your

869
00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:27,670
living room that sort of thing but once

870
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:29,020
you're talking about these paranormal

871
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:31,270
experiences it's just overwhelmed your

872
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:33,730
life if you talk to Chris blood so he

873
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:34,780
would tell you the same thing

874
00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:37,420
okay he you know he had these physical

875
00:40:41,250 --> 00:40:39,580
experiences and and some of them

876
00:40:43,950 --> 00:40:41,260
continued here and there mainly through

877
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:43,960
seeing orbs and and seeing some objects

878
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:47,560
in the sky but over the last ten years

879
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,930
it's been you know numerous hundreds

880
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:52,000
thousands of paranormal experiences okay

881
00:40:57,090 --> 00:40:54,430
that's why that's what I mean by that

882
00:40:58,769 --> 00:40:57,100
topic area and that's my case in

883
00:41:00,899 --> 00:40:58,779
everyone else's cases that

884
00:41:02,489 --> 00:41:00,909
our survey so that's number three is

885
00:41:05,609 --> 00:41:02,499
primarily a paranormal and not a

886
00:41:06,839 --> 00:41:05,619
physical experience number four and this

887
00:41:10,499 --> 00:41:06,849
as follows

888
00:41:12,929 --> 00:41:10,509
Jacques Vallee Allen Hynek Jean Mack and

889
00:41:16,169 --> 00:41:12,939
all of the UFO researchers that are in

890
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:16,179
our organization that contact involves a

891
00:41:22,499 --> 00:41:19,900
manipulation of space-time okay all

892
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,509
right and what this in turn leads to the

893
00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:24,640
possibility that is much more

894
00:41:28,229 --> 00:41:27,400
complicated than just extraterrestrial

895
00:41:30,479 --> 00:41:28,239
nuts-and-bolts

896
00:41:33,769 --> 00:41:30,489
okay and that quite possibly these

897
00:41:37,229 --> 00:41:33,779
experiences might be interdimensional

898
00:41:39,449 --> 00:41:37,239
okay with non-human intelligence popping

899
00:41:42,899 --> 00:41:39,459
in out of space-time being able to

900
00:41:46,109 --> 00:41:42,909
manipulate space-time for example taking

901
00:41:47,689 --> 00:41:46,119
you okay so many people have been taken

902
00:41:49,949 --> 00:41:47,699
out of where they were their 3d reality

903
00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:49,959
they thought that they were somewhere

904
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:51,969
else you know for a half an hour 20

905
00:41:55,919 --> 00:41:53,890
minutes or a couple hours but yet they

906
00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:55,929
get brought back to the same radio

907
00:42:01,199 --> 00:41:57,699
interview that they were listening to in

908
00:42:05,909 --> 00:42:01,209
their car and that was my situation

909
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:05,919
that's all free got started you're taken

910
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:09,249
out from from a 3d reality in my case

911
00:42:14,729 --> 00:42:11,049
was the middle of a trial missing a beat

912
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:14,739
of the radio interview okay so this is

913
00:42:21,689 --> 00:42:18,130
not just 3d extraterrestrial stuff that

914
00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:21,699
that is mainly circulating in in

915
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,009
mainstream ufology so those are the four

916
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:26,079
major findings now in terms of the

917
00:42:29,909 --> 00:42:27,880
positive aspects okay as I said before

918
00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:29,919
we ask that question numerous numerous

919
00:42:32,399 --> 00:42:31,809
times let me go over some of these

920
00:42:34,739 --> 00:42:32,409
questions

921
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:34,749
do you want your et contact experiences

922
00:42:41,759 --> 00:42:39,400
to stop okay 84% said no do you believe

923
00:42:45,059 --> 00:42:41,769
that ETS would or non-human challenges

924
00:42:48,469 --> 00:42:45,069
are bad or malevolent only nine point

925
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:48,479
seven percent said yes okay

926
00:42:55,769 --> 00:42:53,650
we asked have they tried to help you 62%

927
00:42:56,099 --> 00:42:55,779
said yes these beings have tried to help

928
00:42:58,469 --> 00:42:56,109
me

929
00:43:00,779 --> 00:42:58,479
66% I felt love in front of these

930
00:43:02,429 --> 00:43:00,789
non-human intelligence even when we

931
00:43:04,979 --> 00:43:02,439
looked at the specific types of beings

932
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:04,989
the physical beings okay because part of

933
00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:06,729
the contact was physical and part was

934
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:08,380
non-physical but even the physical

935
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,089
beings that were seeing okay

936
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:12,400
the number one type of being

937
00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:14,500
was not the small race the short race

938
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:16,630
the number one was the energy being at

939
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:21,010
55% human looking beings were number two

940
00:43:28,019 --> 00:43:24,130
at 52% the short greys were number three

941
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:28,029
at 51% the ghost and spirit form that's

942
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:32,740
at 47% okay and then the Tor Gray's or

943
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:35,260
at 33% and then there were other

944
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:37,390
categories but I'm gonna skip yeah just

945
00:43:41,549 --> 00:43:39,250
to jump in really quick I would not like

946
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:41,559
that you're talking since all those

947
00:43:45,059 --> 00:43:42,670
numbers add up to more than a hundred

948
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:45,069
percent you've got a few people in there

949
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,260
that have seen multiple times yes yes

950
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:49,119
the vast majority of people have seen

951
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:50,529
multiple types of beings the vast

952
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:53,230
majority I mean if you just seen one

953
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:55,569
type of being that's a rarity like in my

954
00:43:59,880 --> 00:43:58,089
case I only saw an energy being I didn't

955
00:44:01,260 --> 00:43:59,890
see anything else and maybe a

956
00:44:02,099 --> 00:44:01,270
human-looking being but that'll be a

957
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:02,109
story for another day

958
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:04,930
now let me focus on the negative

959
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:07,720
experiences okay for the energy being

960
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:10,690
only 7% said it was negative for the

961
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:13,180
human looking being only 5% was negative

962
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:15,160
now why would you guess was the negative

963
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:18,250
rate for the Evod rated short graze that

964
00:44:21,779 --> 00:44:19,599
you always see on the Internet

965
00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:21,789
carving people up with little knives and

966
00:44:27,809 --> 00:44:26,140
and taking their ovum ovaries out and

967
00:44:29,490 --> 00:44:27,819
stuff like that you know so for the

968
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:29,500
short grace what percentage do you think

969
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:32,890
stay there was mainly negative you set

970
00:44:38,579 --> 00:44:36,010
up to now and say ten percent roughly

971
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:38,589
well you're very close it's 11 percent

972
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:42,490
okay this is not one or two or three or

973
00:44:48,779 --> 00:44:43,450
four or five people

974
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:48,789
this is 751 people okay that had

975
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,410
experience in short grace now it's over

976
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:52,720
a thousand a thousand one hundred for

977
00:44:56,359 --> 00:44:54,460
the people have taken or survey so this

978
00:44:59,789 --> 00:44:56,369
is not just a little tiny sample okay

979
00:45:01,920 --> 00:44:59,799
okay and what they're saying is now more

980
00:45:04,289 --> 00:45:01,930
than a thousand people 11 percent said

981
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,299
it was mainly negative that's it okay

982
00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:07,359
now now the evil dreaded reptilians okay

983
00:45:12,539 --> 00:45:09,849
I mean the the kind that will rape your

984
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:12,549
wife and eat your children okay the the

985
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:16,210
ones that that President Obama was evil

986
00:45:21,299 --> 00:45:19,630
reptilian and and and you know that

987
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:21,309
that's he's on the internet all the time

988
00:45:23,819 --> 00:45:23,470
that you see right now 22 ruling the

989
00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:23,829
world

990
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:25,720
okay ruining the

991
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:29,380
they're ruling the world okay these 25%

992
00:45:34,589 --> 00:45:31,930
of the people that took our survey at

993
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:34,599
that time was 368 people now it's more

994
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:36,520
than 500 said that they have had

995
00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:38,470
experiences with reptilians

996
00:45:44,970 --> 00:45:41,800
okay 25% that's not a small number it's

997
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,980
a lot of people okay now the kinds that

998
00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:46,960
rape your wife and eat your children how

999
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:48,820
many you think people said that was

1000
00:45:56,190 --> 00:45:54,220
negative you just said about 25% no no

1001
00:46:01,020 --> 00:45:56,200
that was how many people saw it okay

1002
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:01,030
okay okay so 100% of that 25% what

1003
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:03,250
percentage I'd be higher than the greys

1004
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:05,290
I would guess maybe 15 to 20

1005
00:46:08,339 --> 00:46:06,790
okay well it's twenty three percent

1006
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:08,349
forty three percent said that their

1007
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:09,910
experiences were mainly negative now

1008
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:12,250
when we went to phase three phase three

1009
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:14,020
words people wrote out the details of

1010
00:46:18,839 --> 00:46:16,930
their experiences and we looked at the

1011
00:46:22,290 --> 00:46:18,849
people that had reptilian type of

1012
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:22,300
experiences the vast majority of them

1013
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:26,440
over 95% of those people stated that it

1014
00:46:31,310 --> 00:46:27,940
was negative because of what it looked

1015
00:46:34,589 --> 00:46:31,320
like not because of what it did yeah

1016
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:34,599
okay because if you have in front of you

1017
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:37,630
a being that seven to eight feet tall

1018
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:40,330
that's 500 pounds it's got a crocodile

1019
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:44,080
head and a long tail okay and it's

1020
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:46,750
looking right at you a couple of feet

1021
00:46:53,550 --> 00:46:49,570
away from you you're gonna be defecating

1022
00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:53,560
in your pants okay it's just natural and

1023
00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:55,480
for a lot of people they might have had

1024
00:47:00,599 --> 00:46:58,750
just had that experience once okay so

1025
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:00,609
that trauma still remains with a lot of

1026
00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:04,240
people okay and and again

1027
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:05,950
that's not information that's

1028
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:08,650
circulating in ufology because most of

1029
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:10,630
the people think that these experiences

1030
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:12,670
are were totally negative when in fact

1031
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,880
sixty-six percent it was neutral what

1032
00:47:19,859 --> 00:47:18,160
these beings most of the time did was

1033
00:47:22,349 --> 00:47:19,869
just stay in front of you just look at

1034
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:22,359
you and you looked at them and all of a

1035
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:24,760
sudden would phase out of reality okay

1036
00:47:30,089 --> 00:47:28,450
and that's the and we also asked the

1037
00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:30,099
question as I've said before if you

1038
00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:32,200
could stop your experiences would you

1039
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:32,980
okay

1040
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:34,930
eighty-four percent no so if these

1041
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:37,690
beings were just so evil so dreaded so

1042
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:39,490
horrible why did they 84

1043
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:43,540
said keep it coming okay okay so we

1044
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:46,210
asked that question in like 20 different

1045
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:48,310
ways okay that's just one different way

1046
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:50,260
now let's look at the positive

1047
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:52,300
transformation okay

1048
00:47:59,730 --> 00:47:56,830
overall between 75 to 85 percent because

1049
00:48:04,140 --> 00:47:59,740
we asked more than 60 questions on this

1050
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,150
this topic area individuals underwent a

1051
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:06,880
profound psychological profile change

1052
00:48:13,290 --> 00:48:10,720
for the positive okay between 73 the 85%

1053
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:13,300
depending on the question now let me go

1054
00:48:18,359 --> 00:48:15,810
over the questions the questions were

1055
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:18,369
since I first became interested in my

1056
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:21,880
UFO experiences okay and then we had the

1057
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:24,070
specific question and that I said that

1058
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:26,230
it strongly increased increased somewhat

1059
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:28,750
had not changed decreased somewhat or

1060
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,240
Deek are strongly decreased now let's

1061
00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:33,760
look at what strongly decreased was and

1062
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:36,430
increased somewhat okay the categories

1063
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:39,190
that increased okay my desire to help

1064
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:42,190
others my compassion for others my

1065
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:44,050
appreciation of the ordinary things of

1066
00:48:49,770 --> 00:48:46,750
life my sensitivity to the suffering of

1067
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:49,780
others okay my concern with spiritual

1068
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:52,390
matters my desire to achieve a higher

1069
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:54,970
state of consciousness my appreciation

1070
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,730
of nature my spiritual feelings my

1071
00:49:02,280 --> 00:48:59,680
concern with the welfare of planet Earth

1072
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:02,290
my understanding of what life is all

1073
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:05,050
about my personal sense of purpose my

1074
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:08,260
concern with ecological matters all of

1075
00:49:14,099 --> 00:49:11,440
these were above 80% okay in terms of in

1076
00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:14,109
terms of increased okay now let's look

1077
00:49:20,250 --> 00:49:17,109
at what decreased okay very interesting

1078
00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:20,260
but decreased my concern with material

1079
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:22,840
things of life all of a sudden material

1080
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:24,730
things are not important to you my

1081
00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:26,740
interest in organized religion again

1082
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:30,070
decreased why because you moved in

1083
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:31,810
direction of spirituality instead of

1084
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,850
organized religion my competitive

1085
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:36,400
tendencies all of a sudden you care

1086
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:38,890
about others not squashing other people

1087
00:49:44,730 --> 00:49:42,670
my fear of death why because now you

1088
00:49:47,070 --> 00:49:44,740
become more spiritual you know that

1089
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:47,080
you're an eternal spiritual be okay

1090
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:49,720
fear of death was decreased by 73

1091
00:49:52,810 --> 00:49:52,480
percent my desire to become a well-known

1092
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:52,820
per

1093
00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:55,460
okay all of a sudden you know that

1094
00:50:04,810 --> 00:49:56,840
that's not important anymore

1095
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:04,820
okay so my question is if if almost 85%

1096
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,730
of the people at Turk or surveys

1097
00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:08,960
underwent this profound psychological

1098
00:50:15,790 --> 00:50:13,600
transformation okay my perspective is

1099
00:50:17,950 --> 00:50:15,800
these beings why don't you do what

1100
00:50:20,830 --> 00:50:17,960
everyone in the world what do you have

1101
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:20,840
contact with everyone because the person

1102
00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:23,300
that's evolved from the contact

1103
00:50:29,830 --> 00:50:25,580
experience is a person that I would want

1104
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:29,840
is a friend a neighbor my ally okay

1105
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:33,350
instead of human beings killing off 100

1106
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,530
million people in the last century maybe

1107
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:38,800
that could have been avoided if they

1108
00:50:45,310 --> 00:50:42,230
interacted with everyone now don't you

1109
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:45,320
find that finding important much more

1110
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:49,280
important than just the the the chemical

1111
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,260
analysis of this new metal alloy that

1112
00:50:59,680 --> 00:50:56,960
came from a ship where are people

1113
00:51:03,340 --> 00:50:59,690
talking about this metal alloy that this

1114
00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:03,350
um that these CIA agents have okay and

1115
00:51:08,170 --> 00:51:05,540
why they're not talking about this

1116
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:08,180
research study that talks about how

1117
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:10,090
people have been totally transformed

1118
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:14,710
were they a video that was circulated

1119
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:19,370
that was put out okay and that about the

1120
00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:21,530
whole aspect that this phenomenon is

1121
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:25,820
mainly paranormal it's not physical yes

1122
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:27,830
what we're trying to do here we're

1123
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:29,150
trying to cover them all you know

1124
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:34,330
yeah sorry on that saying that you know

1125
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:37,970
Ray for us you know you know people who

1126
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:39,380
have been affected by the contact

1127
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:40,970
experience you know I want to say

1128
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,820
sometimes you almost take for granted

1129
00:51:48,130 --> 00:51:46,160
our experience not not an over way but

1130
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:48,140
it's easy for us to make that leap and

1131
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:49,850
understand that there's there's deeper

1132
00:51:56,050 --> 00:51:52,490
foundation of truth and and you know

1133
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:56,060
that's really where the the

1134
00:52:02,110 --> 00:51:58,850
transformation comes from but some of

1135
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:02,120
these people you know that analysis of

1136
00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:03,650
materials that's their kick in the

1137
00:52:06,730 --> 00:52:06,080
behind to say oh wait hold on wait maybe

1138
00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:06,740
there is something

1139
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:08,750
because that you know that the contact

1140
00:52:14,109 --> 00:52:11,210
experience is the the paradigm shift

1141
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,119
that's the the cosmic iOpener that's

1142
00:52:19,330 --> 00:52:16,480
really gonna you know and dr. John Mack

1143
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:19,340
had comments on that you know the

1144
00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:22,070
passport to the cosmos when you have one

1145
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:24,350
of these experiences you don't just have

1146
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:26,630
a UFO sighting first of all number one

1147
00:52:30,970 --> 00:52:28,610
is that sighting of random probably not

1148
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,980
number two you're opened up to the

1149
00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:33,920
contact modalities now you know yeah so

1150
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:35,750
you know weather and and and whether you

1151
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,640
have a near-death experience person than

1152
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:39,440
the UFO sighting and then the psychic

1153
00:52:44,350 --> 00:52:41,690
phenomenon experience you know what

1154
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:44,360
you're gonna have all these so it's it's

1155
00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:45,380
not just like you're gonna have one of

1156
00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:47,840
the other so it's kind of easy it's easy

1157
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:50,300
for us so I still have a deep compassion

1158
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:54,200
for people who who need to see these

1159
00:52:59,560 --> 00:52:57,050
metal analysis is because you know I

1160
00:53:00,910 --> 00:52:59,570
know that you know they need they need

1161
00:53:02,590 --> 00:53:00,920
that for a reason they've been

1162
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:02,600
conditioned they've been brought up to

1163
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:04,190
believe you know I don't hold that

1164
00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:06,290
against them so you know I think the

1165
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:08,260
best thing we can do you know is

1166
00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:11,740
continue to keep plugging away yeah yeah

1167
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:14,540
but also I you know I I still have a

1168
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:17,750
great appreciation for people working on

1169
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:19,460
the materialist again because honestly

1170
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:22,970
we needed that we need every everything

1171
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:26,420
that we can get yeah as you know James

1172
00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:29,510
if you are an experiencer for example

1173
00:53:34,359 --> 00:53:31,700
and here you are you know you're

1174
00:53:36,490 --> 00:53:34,369
meditating calling down to see non-human

1175
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:36,500
intelligence and then 15 minutes later

1176
00:53:55,660 --> 00:53:39,350
it shows up okay you know that this

1177
00:53:57,370 --> 00:53:55,670
material is paradigm and I think even

1178
00:53:59,050 --> 00:53:57,380
you know we have this consciousness

1179
00:54:00,310 --> 00:53:59,060
aspect and the consciousness end of this

1180
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:00,320
stuff which is really the heart of

1181
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,830
everything and I have a strong have a

1182
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:05,359
strong belief that you know

1183
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:06,950
consciousness you know it plays out in

1184
00:54:12,070 --> 00:54:10,130
its own way in maybe some kind of

1185
00:54:15,970 --> 00:54:12,080
pattern or design or intelligence and

1186
00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:15,980
that everything you know you know even

1187
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:17,720
the deepest parts of consciousness and

1188
00:54:22,209 --> 00:54:20,569
manifestation and how everything unfolds

1189
00:54:27,449 --> 00:54:22,219
there's like you know there's a

1190
00:54:30,819 --> 00:54:27,459
scientific method to that you know and I

1191
00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:30,829
think that that's that's still a almost

1192
00:54:35,169 --> 00:54:33,380
just as important yeah well that's what

1193
00:54:36,579 --> 00:54:35,179
we're gonna be talking about in our

1194
00:54:39,909 --> 00:54:36,589
volume two and hopefully I'll have some

1195
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:39,919
time in the show to be able to focus on

1196
00:54:44,799 --> 00:54:42,410
that because that that's where the field

1197
00:54:46,179 --> 00:54:44,809
needs to move towards but let me just

1198
00:54:48,909 --> 00:54:46,189
finished I went over the positive

1199
00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:48,919
aspects I went over the transformational

1200
00:54:56,709 --> 00:54:51,499
aspects and let me go over the the

1201
00:54:58,509 --> 00:54:56,719
paranormal aspects for example um we've

1202
00:55:01,419 --> 00:54:58,519
had let me go over some of these

1203
00:55:04,959 --> 00:55:01,429
questions here okay

1204
00:55:06,729 --> 00:55:04,969
we asked goodness about 50 questions

1205
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:06,739
that dealt with paranormal aspects of

1206
00:55:14,349 --> 00:55:11,119
the phenomenon okay and again these are

1207
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,359
mind-blowing responses okay for people

1208
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:17,359
that are in this field the mainstream

1209
00:55:22,779 --> 00:55:20,689
field okay but the research they know

1210
00:55:25,179 --> 00:55:22,789
that this is taking place okay for

1211
00:55:26,589 --> 00:55:25,189
example 80 percent eat out of ten of

1212
00:55:28,419 --> 00:55:26,599
these individuals that took our survey

1213
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:28,429
stating I have stated they've had an

1214
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,609
out-of-body experience okay 37 percent

1215
00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:34,640
had a near-death experience medical

1216
00:55:38,579 --> 00:55:36,380
healings and that's the chapter in our

1217
00:55:41,229 --> 00:55:38,589
book that dr. Joseph book our Brooks

1218
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:41,239
Burke's our wrote with our Preston

1219
00:55:46,929 --> 00:55:45,049
Dennett okay 50% 50% of the people

1220
00:55:47,439 --> 00:55:46,939
stated that they or a member of their

1221
00:55:50,140 --> 00:55:47,449
family

1222
00:55:52,749 --> 00:55:50,150
have had a medical healing but not by

1223
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:52,759
non-human intelligence okay the question

1224
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,380
of of did you experience involve some

1225
00:56:01,839 --> 00:55:59,359
type of telepathic communication or

1226
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:01,849
thought transference or direct knowing

1227
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:03,529
being given to you by non-human

1228
00:56:09,099 --> 00:56:07,130
intelligence 78% it's almost 8 out of 10

1229
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:09,109
people and you know if you do feel

1230
00:56:13,689 --> 00:56:11,689
contact work you get that all the time

1231
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:13,699
oh they just gave this thing this

1232
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:14,900
thought to me or I've gotten this

1233
00:56:19,569 --> 00:56:17,390
information you know and and a lot of it

1234
00:56:22,929 --> 00:56:19,579
was very direct like like either a voice

1235
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:22,939
or or information or a thought that was

1236
00:56:26,469 --> 00:56:23,839
put right into you

1237
00:56:28,089 --> 00:56:26,479
as I said before 50% of these

1238
00:56:33,549 --> 00:56:28,099
individuals have been brought to a

1239
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:33,559
matrix reality 50% okay 66% have had a

1240
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:34,160
past

1241
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:38,900
memory the people that have seen a ghost

1242
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:41,930
or a spirit 76% almost a dot

1243
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:43,640
three-quarters of other people three out

1244
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,650
of four people have seen a ghost or a

1245
00:56:50,110 --> 00:56:46,880
spirit okay

1246
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:50,120
46% of these individuals have received

1247
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,390
the glimpse of heaven or what might be

1248
00:56:58,270 --> 00:56:56,480
called the spirit world seen not via a

1249
00:57:02,880 --> 00:56:58,280
picture not be a photo but direct

1250
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:02,890
physically Cina a small colored orb 67%

1251
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,290
okay two out of three people objects

1252
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:09,680
materially mysteriously appear in right

1253
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:11,930
in front of you and those are called

1254
00:57:17,230 --> 00:57:14,090
eight ports in the parapsychology field

1255
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:17,240
okay 25% one out of four people have had

1256
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:19,670
objects materially appear right in front

1257
00:57:25,390 --> 00:57:22,700
of them okay objects that have fallen or

1258
00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:25,400
suddenly moved around your house without

1259
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:28,540
any reasonable explanation 61 percent

1260
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:31,370
individuals that can see energy or auras

1261
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:33,890
around other people seventy four percent

1262
00:57:37,660 --> 00:57:35,960
and that's very common with both people

1263
00:57:39,970 --> 00:57:37,670
that came back from a near-death

1264
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:39,980
experience and people that came came

1265
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:42,710
back from these matrix realities okay

1266
00:57:48,190 --> 00:57:45,650
they're able to see energy auras they

1267
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:48,200
become energy healers total

1268
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:51,770
transformation 49 percent of these

1269
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:53,810
people have seen their bodies out in

1270
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:56,390
space leaving earth all of a sudden

1271
00:57:58,750 --> 00:57:57,530
you're looking at the earth and you're

1272
00:58:02,530 --> 00:57:58,760
like flying away from it

1273
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:02,540
half the people okay forty percent seven

1274
00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:05,240
percent have met and conversed with a

1275
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,350
deceased person okay twenty-nine percent

1276
00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:10,720
have channeled our non-human

1277
00:58:16,060 --> 00:58:13,700
intelligence sixty percent have

1278
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,070
repeatedly experienced objects moving in

1279
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:19,520
their home 47 percent have I've seen

1280
00:58:23,770 --> 00:58:21,410
what can be considered shadow people in

1281
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:23,780
their homes and as beings that look

1282
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:25,730
cloudy human-like that streak across

1283
00:58:30,820 --> 00:58:27,710
their home I remember speaking to Chris

1284
00:58:33,130 --> 00:58:30,830
and his wife and they've seen it I've

1285
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:33,140
seen it in my house as well the matter

1286
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:34,850
type one time we were in a Skype call

1287
00:58:40,930 --> 00:58:37,210
that had a camera and we had one lady

1288
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:40,940
from Canada and another lady

1289
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:42,590
they were both volunteers for our

1290
00:58:48,329 --> 00:58:44,540
support group and one of the ladies

1291
00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:51,190
because this shadow person just went

1292
00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:52,760
right behind me and went right through

1293
00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:56,329
the glass door okay and so I said that's

1294
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,710
just a shadow person don't worry about

1295
00:59:04,329 --> 00:59:00,079
it you know it's everything is cool you

1296
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:04,339
know don't freak out you know and now in

1297
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:08,240
terms of physically seen an orb 66% of

1298
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:10,010
the people that I've seen the orb said

1299
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:13,550
it was inside their home okay see 46%

1300
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,190
saw the orb go through an object such as

1301
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:19,520
a wall and 82% believe that these orbs

1302
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:23,660
or conscious intelligence and this is an

1303
00:59:28,030 --> 00:59:25,730
example what I'm telling you of how the

1304
00:59:30,190 --> 00:59:28,040
vast majority of these experiences are

1305
00:59:33,089 --> 00:59:30,200
primarily paranormal because they don't

1306
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:33,099
accrue once they accrue multiple times

1307
00:59:37,540 --> 00:59:35,210
like when you're seeing orbs you're

1308
00:59:40,089 --> 00:59:37,550
seeing these orbs tons of times when

1309
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:40,099
you're getting telepathic communications

1310
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,470
it's not just once it's tons of times

1311
00:59:45,819 --> 00:59:44,000
okay

1312
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:45,829
the out-of-body experience is once

1313
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:47,210
you've had contact we're not even

1314
00:59:53,140 --> 00:59:49,010
telogen all of a sudden you begin having

1315
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:53,150
OBEs not once but many times okay

1316
00:59:57,339 --> 00:59:55,849
the other thing is we can go over a

1317
00:59:58,720 --> 00:59:57,349
whole lot of thematic topic areas you

1318
01:00:01,870 --> 00:59:58,730
guys let me know what your interested

1319
01:00:03,609 --> 01:00:01,880
one somatic topic area is what has been

1320
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:03,619
the information that they've received

1321
01:00:07,690 --> 01:00:05,990
from non-human intelligence we even have

1322
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:07,700
a whole section on the physical

1323
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:10,040
experiences the abduction type of

1324
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:14,050
experiences we have another question on

1325
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:16,690
series of questions related to

1326
01:00:23,470 --> 01:00:20,240
experiences onboard a UFO

1327
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,480
let me see we have well yeah I'm not

1328
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:26,000
really curious about what the folks are

1329
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:27,800
getting in terms of you were talking

1330
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:30,050
about some downloads in the area of a

1331
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:32,810
science and technology there's anything

1332
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:35,690
in that information look interesting yes

1333
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:37,910
let me look at that the information

1334
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:40,160
that's received we've had 80% of the

1335
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:42,170
people have received direct

1336
01:00:46,450 --> 01:00:43,280
communications from non-human

1337
01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:46,460
intelligence let me see in terms of the

1338
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:50,150
science related type of stuff well just

1339
01:00:56,260 --> 01:00:52,210
75 percent was in their native language

1340
01:00:59,290 --> 01:00:56,270
61 percent 54 percent were spiritual

1341
01:01:00,490 --> 01:00:59,300
messages 54 percent were messages of

1342
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:00,500
love and oneness

1343
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:03,680
45% were regarding her humanities

1344
01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:07,250
behavior environment environmental

1345
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:10,580
messages was 39% science and physics

1346
01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:14,630
related messages and Technology 42% very

1347
01:01:21,790 --> 01:01:17,030
large number or science and physics

1348
01:01:24,790 --> 01:01:21,800
related messages messages regarding the

1349
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:24,800
parallel universes the multiverse 31%

1350
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:27,170
messages about God or a universal

1351
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:33,140
creator 31% about the death process 30%

1352
01:01:39,089 --> 01:01:36,020
were told about what death is like the

1353
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:39,099
concept of time 30%

1354
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:41,410
let me see their mission here on earth

1355
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:44,720
29% did the ETS provide you with that

1356
01:01:50,050 --> 01:01:46,609
information about science topic that was

1357
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:50,060
not physics related so it was 28% so

1358
01:01:54,130 --> 01:01:52,310
majority of the science related type of

1359
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:54,140
questions were physics related that's 40

1360
01:01:58,990 --> 01:01:56,930
42 percent involved you know science and

1361
01:02:01,390 --> 01:01:59,000
physics now to those twenty eight

1362
01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:01,400
percent were science related but they

1363
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,900
did not deal with physics reincarnation

1364
01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:08,000
26 percent were told about reincarnation

1365
01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:12,260
and agreement okay with these beings 26

1366
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:18,230
percent okay I mean those were just some

1367
01:02:27,579 --> 01:02:25,599
if I'm interrupting you I just wanted to

1368
01:02:31,180 --> 01:02:27,589
you know obviously you've had your own

1369
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:31,190
experiences so you know you have a kind

1370
01:02:35,170 --> 01:02:33,170
of a strong footing in this but you know

1371
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:35,180
going from that point from when you had

1372
01:02:42,130 --> 01:02:38,720
your own experience you know ton of

1373
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:42,140
experiences obviously to the academic

1374
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:45,530
study what was one of the most

1375
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:47,510
interesting things or surprising things

1376
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:50,630
that you found or discovered you know

1377
01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:53,530
after seeing so many of these results

1378
01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:56,270
well it wasn't just me we're talking

1379
01:03:01,030 --> 01:02:59,450
about the whole team okay yeah we're

1380
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:01,040
talking about you know Kathy Martin

1381
01:03:05,170 --> 01:03:02,690
that's been this for 30 years

1382
01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:05,180
mary rod well for more than 30 years Leo

1383
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:07,460
sprinkle 50 years okay

1384
01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:10,250
they knew that much of this had been

1385
01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:11,720
going on but they never had the data

1386
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:14,060
okay for example they were

1387
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:15,890
only surprised that 80% were having

1388
01:03:20,980 --> 01:03:18,500
out-of-body experiences okay okay okay

1389
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:20,990
they were totally surprised that 50% had

1390
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:23,270
medical healings I mean you hear these

1391
01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:25,370
stories and pressed and then it wrote a

1392
01:03:31,330 --> 01:03:27,830
book 20 years ago titled UFO healings

1393
01:03:32,770 --> 01:03:31,340
and that was 200 cases and but you

1394
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:32,780
didn't know it was so large it was like

1395
01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:38,930
half the people okay and you know the

1396
01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:41,060
the near-death experiences we know that

1397
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:42,440
a lot of experiences had near-death

1398
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:45,110
experiences but we didn't know was 37%

1399
01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:47,690
but what we found out was that the NDE

1400
01:03:56,140 --> 01:03:49,820
for many many people was like a

1401
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:56,150
triggering mechanism all of a sudden the

1402
01:04:00,610 --> 01:03:56,810
sikraft

1403
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,620
you know what my question is okay all of

1404
01:04:04,780 --> 01:04:02,240
these materialists they said there's

1405
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:04,790
nothing to do with this you know seeing

1406
01:04:09,010 --> 01:04:06,770
a physical craft and and near-death

1407
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:09,020
experiences you're having a life review

1408
01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:11,150
that has nothing to do with the physical

1409
01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:13,670
gray taking out your ovaries okay yes

1410
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:17,720
and and so well the data is telling us

1411
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:20,390
you know otherwise now if we would have

1412
01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:21,770
known this stuff we would have just

1413
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:23,990
added a lot of additional questions and

1414
01:04:30,670 --> 01:04:28,160
for example do additional questions

1415
01:04:33,490 --> 01:04:30,680
regarding in terms of when the the

1416
01:04:34,750 --> 01:04:33,500
near-death experiences start when did

1417
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:34,760
you first see the UFO

1418
01:04:40,330 --> 01:04:38,510
did your the UFO contact experiences

1419
01:04:43,870 --> 01:04:40,340
increase and how much that increase

1420
01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:43,880
after an NDE okay but these are the

1421
01:04:48,850 --> 01:04:45,620
issues that we found out subsequently

1422
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:48,860
afterwards okay okay but we were able to

1423
01:04:53,950 --> 01:04:50,510
find out a lot of this through the

1424
01:04:57,070 --> 01:04:53,960
writings in phase three but again we're

1425
01:04:59,500 --> 01:04:57,080
not able to document the numbers that we

1426
01:05:01,660 --> 01:04:59,510
just know that it's a trigger that the

1427
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:01,670
nd has been a trigger but many of the

1428
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:03,680
researchers knew that n DS were triggers

1429
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:06,050
but they were neighbor never able to

1430
01:05:12,490 --> 01:05:08,600
quantify so a lot of the paranormal

1431
01:05:15,460 --> 01:05:12,500
stuff we knew that it was oh the other

1432
01:05:17,950 --> 01:05:15,470
thing the matrix reality okay we had no

1433
01:05:21,580 --> 01:05:17,960
idea that being brought to our matrix

1434
01:05:24,550 --> 01:05:21,590
reality was almost double the number of

1435
01:05:27,770 --> 01:05:24,560
people that have had abductions because

1436
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,780
most of these folks they meet people

1437
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,000
regarding an abduction they're there

1438
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:32,400
they're petrified they're scared so they

1439
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:34,410
go to Mary rod well will he go to Denis

1440
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:37,770
stoner and they they they talk about it

1441
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,450
and and what's circulating on the

1442
01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:41,160
Internet and again this is what the

1443
01:05:47,180 --> 01:05:45,480
internet does you have an experience and

1444
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:47,190
then you go to an internet for answers

1445
01:05:54,110 --> 01:05:50,910
okay after you read a hundred abduction

1446
01:05:57,260 --> 01:05:54,120
abduction stories and you go to David

1447
01:05:58,940 --> 01:05:57,270
Jacobs okay Jacobs might lead you in a

1448
01:06:00,530 --> 01:05:58,950
certain direction all of a sudden you're

1449
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:00,540
talking about abduction abduction that

1450
01:06:05,420 --> 01:06:03,510
abduction everything okay so but by

1451
01:06:07,580 --> 01:06:05,430
actually going to the internet for a lot

1452
01:06:10,550 --> 01:06:07,590
of people does a lot of disservice okay

1453
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:10,560
now what's totally struck the number of

1454
01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:13,140
all of our research was how many people

1455
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:15,900
actually were brought to this matrix

1456
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:19,740
reality this is this again is we did the

1457
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:23,280
cut off at 3200 but now we have more

1458
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:26,070
than 4500 people that have answered our

1459
01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:30,390
surveys so this was as of April of 2017

1460
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:32,070
because that's when we began to

1461
01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:34,710
publicize our data once we publicize our

1462
01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:36,840
data then we cut down you know we shut

1463
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:38,580
off the survey I mean people are still

1464
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:40,680
answering their surveys but we didn't

1465
01:06:48,740 --> 01:06:45,290
counted okay now as of that time we had

1466
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:48,750
489 people that had abduction related

1467
01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:50,700
experiences and that's a force taking

1468
01:06:56,330 --> 01:06:53,940
without their consent but we had 749

1469
01:06:59,360 --> 01:06:56,340
people that were brought to these matrix

1470
01:07:02,720 --> 01:06:59,370
realities okay what we discovered was

1471
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:02,730
that only one-third of the people had an

1472
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:06,210
abduction yet two-thirds did not have an

1473
01:07:11,330 --> 01:07:08,010
abduction so that means that all these

1474
01:07:13,580 --> 01:07:11,340
previous abduction related studies they

1475
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:13,590
were totally missed what we found out

1476
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:18,510
that the type of beings that people were

1477
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:21,420
interacting with in these matrix type of

1478
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:24,720
realities was primarily the energy being

1479
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:27,480
and the human and the human looking beam

1480
01:07:32,540 --> 01:07:30,330
and for two-thirds of these people their

1481
01:07:35,060 --> 01:07:32,550
consciousness was separated from their

1482
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:35,070
body okay yeah it wasn't like their

1483
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:36,570
their body was taken it was their

1484
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:39,270
consciousness was taken okay

1485
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:41,040
and and and

1486
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:42,450
again what we don't understand is

1487
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:45,330
whether time was stopped for the people

1488
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,650
all around you like for example in that

1489
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:48,960
traffic jam that I was in my car okay

1490
01:07:54,860 --> 01:07:51,450
yeah maybe time stopped for everybody

1491
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:54,870
else and they took my my my body out of

1492
01:07:59,690 --> 01:07:56,910
my consciousness out or both you know

1493
01:08:01,970 --> 01:07:59,700
and and then they brought me back

1494
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:01,980
you know because time had stopped you

1495
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:03,930
you know we read hundreds of these types

1496
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:06,330
of stories you know where they were

1497
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:09,540
taken out and and again it was outside

1498
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:12,270
of space-time now in this matrix reality

1499
01:08:17,809 --> 01:08:14,670
56 percent stated that their thoughts

1500
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:17,819
were sped up seventy-five percent stated

1501
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:20,040
that their senses were more vivid than

1502
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:23,160
usual forty-nine percent stated that in

1503
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:25,980
this reality time stopped or was slowed

1504
01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:29,040
down significantly slowed down 55

1505
01:08:35,390 --> 01:08:32,190
percent felt that they were united or

1506
01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:35,400
one with the world thirty eight percent

1507
01:08:39,020 --> 01:08:37,350
stated that the suddenly seemed to

1508
01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:39,030
understand everything about the universe

1509
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:41,430
okay and that's what happened to Edgar

1510
01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:44,490
Mitchell okay he had an experience where

1511
01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:49,230
all of a sudden he had you know Ray

1512
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:54,600
you're dropping off Ray Ray Ray you

1513
01:08:58,520 --> 01:08:57,060
dropped off hello yeah you dropped off

1514
01:09:03,320 --> 01:08:58,530
as you're talking about Edgar Mitchell's

1515
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:03,330
experience Edgar Mitchell

1516
01:09:09,860 --> 01:09:07,020
dr. Mitchell yes that he had his own

1517
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:09,870
experience out in space where he was

1518
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:14,010
given all all knowledge that we are all

1519
01:09:19,010 --> 01:09:16,710
united that we're all one okay and

1520
01:09:20,570 --> 01:09:19,020
that's what led him to found the

1521
01:09:22,250 --> 01:09:20,580
Institute for noetic Sciences because he

1522
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:22,260
wanted to find out what happened to him

1523
01:09:27,740 --> 01:09:25,170
and what he realized later after

1524
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:27,750
inquiring with so many individuals was

1525
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:30,480
they had a samadhi experience a samadhi

1526
01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:32,940
experience and that was when you're

1527
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:36,540
given universal knowledge and in this

1528
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:39,660
matrix reality 83% stated that this

1529
01:09:45,170 --> 01:09:42,390
experience was very very real just as

1530
01:09:47,270 --> 01:09:45,180
quote-unquote just as real or normal as

1531
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:47,280
speaking with a family member next to

1532
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:52,170
you okay so and then this matrix reality

1533
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:54,410
the the human looking being well

1534
01:09:58,540 --> 01:09:56,540
the number one type of being the ghost

1535
01:10:03,040 --> 01:09:58,550
and spirit type of beings and the energy

1536
01:10:05,170 --> 01:10:03,050
beings were the main beings in this also

1537
01:10:07,780 --> 01:10:05,180
the spirit world and spirituality that's

1538
01:10:10,780 --> 01:10:07,790
another major topic that mainstream

1539
01:10:11,980 --> 01:10:10,790
ufology does not talk about ninety seven

1540
01:10:13,150 --> 01:10:11,990
percent believe that non-human

1541
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,160
intelligence can travel to other

1542
01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:15,440
dimensions ninety-one percent believed

1543
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:17,540
that there's a grand plan in motion and

1544
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:19,490
that experiences RuPaul of it

1545
01:10:22,450 --> 01:10:21,290
eighty-nine percent believe that there

1546
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:22,460
is a connection between non-human

1547
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:24,490
intelligence and the paranormal

1548
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:26,450
eighty-three percent said that there's a

1549
01:10:30,340 --> 01:10:27,440
connection between non-human

1550
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:30,350
intelligence and the spirit world okay

1551
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:34,970
now what the beings told them okay

1552
01:10:38,580 --> 01:10:37,250
thirty one percent were given a message

1553
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:38,590
about God

1554
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:42,140
thirty percent were told about the death

1555
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:45,230
process and the spirit world twenty-six

1556
01:10:49,450 --> 01:10:46,670
percent were given a message about

1557
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,460
reincarnation twenty five percent were

1558
01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:51,280
told about their mission here on earth

1559
01:10:57,370 --> 01:10:54,470
twenty five percent were shown how to do

1560
01:10:59,170 --> 01:10:57,380
energy work twenty four percent were

1561
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,180
told by non-human intelligence about

1562
01:11:04,030 --> 01:11:02,480
their past life now all this in terms of

1563
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:04,040
the spirituality aspects of this

1564
01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:06,410
phenomenon and the matrix reality of

1565
01:11:10,780 --> 01:11:08,840
this phenomenon leads me to what you had

1566
01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:10,790
mentioned dr. John Mac in his book

1567
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:13,550
passport to the cosmos human

1568
01:11:19,210 --> 01:11:16,190
transformation and alien encounters he

1569
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:19,220
stated in his book quote people know

1570
01:11:23,530 --> 01:11:21,050
their experiences and what they have

1571
01:11:27,190 --> 01:11:23,540
undergone does not fit with the

1572
01:11:30,010 --> 01:11:27,200
prevailing mechanistic world view large

1573
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:30,020
percentages of people seem to know there

1574
01:11:37,890 --> 01:11:33,710
is an unseen world or hidden dimensions

1575
01:11:41,290 --> 01:11:37,900
of reality okay and that's where

1576
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:41,300
mainstream ufology needs to go to okay

1577
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:44,360
it needs to follow to where dr. John

1578
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:48,040
Mack was going towards before he was

1579
01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:50,060
before he was killed

1580
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:52,340
you know before his time but that's

1581
01:11:55,780 --> 01:11:53,360
where he was going

1582
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:55,790
dr. Rudy Shields was a very very dear

1583
01:12:02,020 --> 01:11:58,850
friend of dr. John Mack okay Edgar

1584
01:12:04,330 --> 01:12:02,030
Mitchell also knew dr. Mack very well

1585
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:04,340
Dennis briefer was a member of our board

1586
01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:06,710
of directors is actually was the

1587
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:07,560
director of the

1588
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:11,340
Mack Institute dr. Diane Hennessy Powell

1589
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,720
a medical doctor and an author on ESP

1590
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:17,520
and a scholar

1591
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:21,000
on on the from the Paris Psychological

1592
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:21,750
Association

1593
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:23,250
she was also a professor at Harvard

1594
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:25,350
Medical School when dr. Mack was there

1595
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:28,050
okay she's also a counselor to us okay

1596
01:12:33,230 --> 01:12:30,990
they all knew that dr. Mack was heading

1597
01:12:35,630 --> 01:12:33,240
in the direction that we took our free

1598
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:35,640
study and again if people want to know

1599
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:39,530
more about our our research we have an

1600
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,290
820 page academic book titled you can

1601
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:46,080
get it on Amazon it's titled beyond UFOs

1602
01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:49,770
the science of consciousness and contact

1603
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,920
with non-human intelligence and if you

1604
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:55,440
send an email to us I will send to you

1605
01:13:03,500 --> 01:12:58,880
for free chapter one and various other

1606
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:03,510
parts of our book total 160 pages and

1607
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:07,730
our email is info at experienced org

1608
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:12,810
info at experience org and our website

1609
01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:16,530
is experience org yeah all right I'm

1610
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:18,270
gonna I'm gonna link everything all

1611
01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:20,130
those links in the description so people

1612
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:21,990
who are interested just look in the

1613
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:24,300
description and I'm going to post all

1614
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:26,580
the links that uh that Rey Hernandez

1615
01:13:32,150 --> 01:13:29,730
here is discussing yeah just a real

1616
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:32,160
quick Rey you've got the this treasure

1617
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,570
trove of data you're you know it raises

1618
01:13:41,060 --> 01:13:38,880
a it answers a few questions but it

1619
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:41,070
raises a few more what's next for the

1620
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:44,090
free organization okay we've got two

1621
01:13:51,310 --> 01:13:47,730
projects that we want to undertake one

1622
01:13:55,850 --> 01:13:51,320
is the the reason why we undertook this

1623
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:55,860
research on UFO contactees was that we

1624
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:00,000
had no data in order for us to undertake

1625
01:14:07,820 --> 01:14:04,170
a cross comparative analysis of people

1626
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:07,830
have had UFO experiences with people

1627
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,960
have had near-death experiences where

1628
01:14:13,820 --> 01:14:11,760
people have had out-of-body experiences

1629
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,830
where people have had remote viewing

1630
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:16,400
experiences people that have had

1631
01:14:21,379 --> 01:14:18,210
communication with ghosts and spirits

1632
01:14:24,139 --> 01:14:21,389
and what took place etc etc

1633
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,149
different contact modalities you need

1634
01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:27,360
data to compare it to we do have lots of

1635
01:14:31,069 --> 01:14:29,219
data from near-death experiences we do

1636
01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:31,079
have lots of data from out-of-body

1637
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:33,479
experiences and even with shamanic

1638
01:14:39,589 --> 01:14:38,070
journeys we have some data from some of

1639
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:39,599
the recent studies that are taking place

1640
01:14:45,799 --> 01:14:42,050
we're talking about academic research on

1641
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:45,809
hallucinogens okay but for the UFO

1642
01:14:51,889 --> 01:14:48,090
related contact experience er what data

1643
01:14:54,409 --> 01:14:51,899
do we have nothing okay

1644
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:54,419
nothing so you could not be able to do

1645
01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:57,179
these cross comparative analyses and for

1646
01:15:01,549 --> 01:14:59,010
us that's where we need to move forward

1647
01:15:05,149 --> 01:15:01,559
with we need to be able to begin to

1648
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:05,159
undertake a unified theory of the

1649
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:08,280
contact modality so that was why we did

1650
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:10,610
this now in terms of where we're going

1651
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,260
no one reads this book okay

1652
01:15:18,529 --> 01:15:16,800
it's 820 pages even people in our board

1653
01:15:20,509 --> 01:15:18,539
of directors when I've given them a free

1654
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:20,519
copy I won't mention their names oh I

1655
01:15:26,449 --> 01:15:23,010
apologize Ray I only read my chapter and

1656
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,459
and this other person's chapter and this

1657
01:15:31,129 --> 01:15:28,800
goes for everybody nobody reads these

1658
01:15:33,609 --> 01:15:31,139
books and let alone an academic research

1659
01:15:40,089 --> 01:15:33,619
studies like when you've got you know

1660
01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:51,229
entertaining dissecting 200 e t--'s you

1661
01:15:59,629 --> 01:15:56,070
know or 3,000 e t--'s mean you have dan

1662
01:16:02,689 --> 01:15:59,639
burisch who was the main person that

1663
01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:02,699
bill Thompkins substantiated regarding

1664
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:05,489
his dissection of ETS I was sent that in

1665
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:06,510
confidence

1666
01:16:12,139 --> 01:16:09,840
okay by a major major player in this

1667
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:12,149
field well no one I've ever mentioned

1668
01:16:18,049 --> 01:16:14,729
before said ray we've just got this sent

1669
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,059
to us from the estate of Dan Burrage who

1670
01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:20,159
was the person that built hunt can

1671
01:16:23,569 --> 01:16:21,030
substantiate it

1672
01:16:26,179 --> 01:16:23,579
he said that dan birch worked at area 51

1673
01:16:28,609 --> 01:16:26,189
he's got four or five pieces he's the

1674
01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:28,619
only one that that took care of j-rod

1675
01:16:34,069 --> 01:16:31,409
that little ET and area 51 and now we

1676
01:16:35,740 --> 01:16:34,079
have his autopsy report we can't find a

1677
01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:35,750
PhD biochemist

1678
01:16:40,189 --> 01:16:38,429
when we met you and Rudy when I met you

1679
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:40,199
and Rudy last time in this specific

1680
01:16:43,820 --> 01:16:42,449
place okay you mentioned that you had a

1681
01:16:46,300 --> 01:16:43,830
boatload of peace these that are

1682
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:46,310
associated with free can you find the

1683
01:16:51,050 --> 01:16:48,600
biochemists to review this dissection

1684
01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:51,060
and I said well I know of a few let me

1685
01:16:54,830 --> 01:16:52,920
see if their interest interested so I

1686
01:16:56,660 --> 01:16:54,840
responded back to this person yes two of

1687
01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:56,670
them will take a look at it they sent

1688
01:17:03,260 --> 01:16:58,530
that to me this whole dissection of

1689
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,270
j-rod yeah okay it was a 60 page report

1690
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:05,040
okay one person

1691
01:17:10,939 --> 01:17:08,130
these are PhD biochemists right wrote 16

1692
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:10,949
pages the other person wrote six pages

1693
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:13,679
both of them basically said ray you got

1694
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:14,760
to be freaking kidding me

1695
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:18,570
okay this is like a high school kid okay

1696
01:17:26,979 --> 01:17:23,250
with a horrible SAT scores attempting to

1697
01:17:31,250 --> 01:17:26,989
pass off as some type of advanced

1698
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:31,260
scientific autopsy report but but

1699
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:35,520
everything was totally wrong okay so

1700
01:17:41,180 --> 01:17:38,100
people yeah just so people know j-rod

1701
01:17:42,859 --> 01:17:41,190
was allegedly one of the survivors one

1702
01:17:44,919 --> 01:17:42,869
of the alleged extraterrestrial

1703
01:17:48,290 --> 01:17:44,929
survivors from the Roswell crash correct

1704
01:17:49,700 --> 01:17:48,300
correct yes so people are familiar with

1705
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:49,710
the one worse than when we say J right

1706
01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:50,790
who we're talking about what we're

1707
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:51,350
talking about

1708
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:53,730
okay now the person that so-called

1709
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:56,190
started the secret space prom program

1710
01:18:00,500 --> 01:17:58,650
backed up this guy dan burisch okay oh

1711
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:00,510
yeah I knew him I saw he worked there

1712
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:02,670
yeah he took care of j-rod right well we

1713
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:05,340
just called out your boy as a fraud so

1714
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:06,449
what does that make you

1715
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:08,730
bill Thompkins who's now deceased okay

1716
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:10,650
the founder of the secret space program

1717
01:18:15,890 --> 01:18:13,679
also this guy Emory Smith so-called

1718
01:18:20,300 --> 01:18:15,900
dissected 2,000 people okay and

1719
01:18:22,609 --> 01:18:20,310
meanwhile he has no phd's okay yeah all

1720
01:18:25,340 --> 01:18:22,619
right he has no academic background

1721
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:25,350
whatsoever and yet the military

1722
01:18:30,590 --> 01:18:27,659
intelligence selected him out of

1723
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,600
thousands of PhDs all over the world to

1724
01:18:34,220 --> 01:18:32,400
be able to do this work please

1725
01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:34,230
so anyway but the point that I'm getting

1726
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:36,150
at is that someone that's interested in

1727
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:38,250
this field they'd be willing to click on

1728
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:39,690
this hit that's got a million hits from

1729
01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:42,510
Emory Smith or Corey Goode over ray

1730
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:44,550
Hernandez talking about this academic

1731
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:46,770
research study and that's why this field

1732
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:48,330
is totally clueless about

1733
01:18:54,140 --> 01:18:51,480
we're doing yeah I mean it's it's it's

1734
01:18:56,180 --> 01:18:54,150
tough because now it actually is

1735
01:18:59,210 --> 01:18:56,190
becoming more you know it always has

1736
01:19:00,560 --> 01:18:59,220
kind of been in the subculture of pop

1737
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:00,570
culture you know UFO was

1738
01:19:04,460 --> 01:19:02,940
extraterrestrials and you know

1739
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,470
everything that's kind of tied to it and

1740
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:06,000
now it's it's becoming more and more

1741
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:08,610
popular you know the internet hits a

1742
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:13,440
ridiculous and in all reality you know

1743
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:16,860
other than clickbait you know people are

1744
01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:19,800
going to be I think at first its its

1745
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:21,180
initial thing people are going to be

1746
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:24,570
attracted to the the entertainment to

1747
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:26,610
the really high quality production that

1748
01:19:30,170 --> 01:19:28,170
you have Gaia doing you know where

1749
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:30,180
everything looks and you know it's well

1750
01:19:35,210 --> 01:19:33,450
produced I'm not gonna say you know you

1751
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:35,220
know forget the information it's the

1752
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,590
quality of the production seems like to

1753
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:39,600
be like a network or professionally done

1754
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:40,860
thing so people are going to look at

1755
01:19:46,340 --> 01:19:44,130
that and go wow you know story some

1756
01:19:48,050 --> 01:19:46,350
entertaining and you know what if it

1757
01:19:49,790 --> 01:19:48,060
works as a gateway drug just to get

1758
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:49,800
people in until they go and they until

1759
01:19:53,810 --> 01:19:51,630
they start questioning wait wait wait a

1760
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:53,820
second hold on a second so you tell me

1761
01:19:58,640 --> 01:19:57,060
all this happened what you know how do I

1762
01:20:01,190 --> 01:19:58,650
know you know and hopefully they start

1763
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,200
questioning more when they see that kind

1764
01:20:05,690 --> 01:20:03,480
of stuff and I think they will I think a

1765
01:20:07,340 --> 01:20:05,700
lot of people you know I hope that it's

1766
01:20:09,170 --> 01:20:07,350
just kind of a thing that they like a

1767
01:20:10,940 --> 01:20:09,180
phase or something they go through and

1768
01:20:13,250 --> 01:20:10,950
then hopefully they get into the to the

1769
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:13,260
deeper stuff where there's there's data

1770
01:20:17,780 --> 01:20:16,110
and there's a lot you know there's

1771
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:17,790
evidence behind what people are saying

1772
01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:21,920
and and and you know studies done and

1773
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,020
kind of thing well I'm an agreement with

1774
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:27,600
you you know it might like it can be

1775
01:20:34,190 --> 01:20:32,130
interpreted as an awakened but but but

1776
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:34,200
people need to utilize discernment you

1777
01:20:41,420 --> 01:20:38,880
know and in this analysis like for

1778
01:20:42,740 --> 01:20:41,430
example when Laura or Eisenhower all of

1779
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:42,750
a sudden she's involved in a secret

1780
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:44,550
space program why because it's making

1781
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:47,130
money Corey Goode is getting thousands

1782
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:48,810
and thousands of dollars to appear at

1783
01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:51,210
these conferences and yet in one major

1784
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:54,600
conference where he was pitted to speak

1785
01:20:58,670 --> 01:20:57,210
at the same time as one of our members

1786
01:21:01,470 --> 01:20:58,680
of our board a very very well-known

1787
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:01,480
member very highly respected you

1788
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:03,610
Richard Dolan no I'm not mention any

1789
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:06,670
names okay this is a member of our board

1790
01:21:13,470 --> 01:21:10,570
that's a highly respected that does real

1791
01:21:16,350 --> 01:21:13,480
academic research okay when this person

1792
01:21:18,450 --> 01:21:16,360
was was pitted at the same time at a

1793
01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:18,460
major conference to compete with Corey

1794
01:21:27,930 --> 01:21:24,640
Goode he had like a full house like over

1795
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:27,940
500 people 750 people that paid an extra

1796
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:32,080
75 dollars to go see him meanwhile this

1797
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:34,090
other person who's credible and

1798
01:21:40,140 --> 01:21:36,730
reputable she this person barely had ten

1799
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:40,150
people in her room okay so it just tells

1800
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:42,250
you where we're at in terms of this

1801
01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:45,910
field now for this reason that's why

1802
01:21:51,660 --> 01:21:48,520
we're doing two projects we're doing one

1803
01:21:55,470 --> 01:21:51,670
project that is a documentary okay we

1804
01:21:58,350 --> 01:21:55,480
have this documentary team that did many

1805
01:22:00,960 --> 01:21:58,360
of the Star Trek documentaries one was

1806
01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:00,970
in search of spark which is on Netflix

1807
01:22:06,810 --> 01:22:02,860
right now and the other one is the

1808
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:06,820
captain's that Leonard Nimoy not let on

1809
01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:10,210
my William Shatner was the host and and

1810
01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:12,340
so they produced both of these documents

1811
01:22:18,210 --> 01:22:15,190
for which is now currently running on

1812
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:18,220
Netflix they're doing this work with us

1813
01:22:24,630 --> 01:22:21,970
at a pro bono basis and for we have

1814
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,640
thousands of hours already of film and

1815
01:22:32,190 --> 01:22:27,600
what we're trying to do is interview

1816
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:32,200
many many many academics to talk about

1817
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:34,060
the same topics that I just talked about

1818
01:22:39,060 --> 01:22:36,900
today we're going to be interviewing

1819
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:39,070
experiences of the various contact

1820
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:40,480
modalities we're going to be

1821
01:22:45,810 --> 01:22:42,760
incorporating data from our research

1822
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:45,820
study and interviewing many members of

1823
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:49,150
our free research team and and and an

1824
01:22:54,060 --> 01:22:51,610
Board of Directors so what we're trying

1825
01:22:56,970 --> 01:22:54,070
to introduce is to introduce science and

1826
01:23:00,750 --> 01:22:56,980
physics into this presentation hopefully

1827
01:23:03,810 --> 01:23:00,760
making in an entertaining way and so now

1828
01:23:05,750 --> 01:23:03,820
we're able to to compete with Gaia Gaia

1829
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:05,760
is basically it's a metaphysical

1830
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,110
organization they are a profit-making

1831
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:10,239
organization that's why they able to

1832
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:12,250
make these slick productions mean well a

1833
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,250
couple of videos that I put out

1834
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:17,440
was made by a friend a very dear friend

1835
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:19,330
but this is person that's just in his

1836
01:23:23,490 --> 01:23:21,070
living room is is putting some of the

1837
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:23,500
stuff out you know versus a professional

1838
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:25,390
crew so this documentary is going to be

1839
01:23:29,460 --> 01:23:27,190
professionally run and it's going to be

1840
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:29,470
introducing the audience to the topic of

1841
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:33,310
science consciousness contact with

1842
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:36,250
non-human intelligence and cosmology you

1843
01:23:42,020 --> 01:23:38,530
know the nature of our universe again

1844
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:42,030
presented by by a diverse team of

1845
01:23:50,010 --> 01:23:46,320
scientists physicists neuroscientists

1846
01:23:51,690 --> 01:23:50,020
experiencers and researchers and then

1847
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:51,700
that's one project

1848
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:53,530
the second major project it was we're

1849
01:23:58,530 --> 01:23:55,930
doing a volume two to our book now

1850
01:24:01,080 --> 01:23:58,540
volume two is not going to be based off

1851
01:24:03,330 --> 01:24:01,090
of our research study it's gonna be a

1852
01:24:05,790 --> 01:24:03,340
theoretical book it's going to answer

1853
01:24:09,210 --> 01:24:05,800
it's gonna answer that that question

1854
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:09,220
through hypotheses because no one knows

1855
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:10,930
what the hell is going on I mean Edgar

1856
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:13,110
Mitchell and every member of our board

1857
01:24:18,030 --> 01:24:15,610
Edgar Mitchell once told me he says ray

1858
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:18,040
we know the equivalent of one grain of

1859
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:21,850
sand in an entire Beach okay and my

1860
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:25,480
response to Edgar was I associated him

1861
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:27,730
telling me that the entire beach is like

1862
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:30,280
our universe so my response to him was

1863
01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:33,010
and that's just one beach in other words

1864
01:24:39,570 --> 01:24:36,360
yes oh and that's just one universe okay

1865
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,580
so in other words we know nothing about

1866
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:41,920
this phenomenon and anyone is out there

1867
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:43,930
that's acting like they know it all

1868
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:46,930
they're all full of it okay so however

1869
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:50,350
we are going to take attempt a stab at

1870
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:52,750
this in phase two we're gonna throw out

1871
01:24:58,530 --> 01:24:55,690
hypotheses okay of a lot of brilliant

1872
01:25:03,030 --> 01:24:58,540
minds and we're gonna ask an OK Joe

1873
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:03,040
Schmoe mr. dr. X okay you're 75 years

1874
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:04,390
old right now you're a theoretical

1875
01:25:09,060 --> 01:25:06,100
physicist from Princeton University

1876
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:09,070
you are dr. Claude swans and you've put

1877
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:11,890
out in these various books on the

1878
01:25:15,570 --> 01:25:14,290
synchronization of our universe you have

1879
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:15,580
an interest in the paranormal

1880
01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:18,310
all right Claude what the is going

1881
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:21,580
on so basically you're basically gonna

1882
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:24,400
speculate wildly which is perfectly okay

1883
01:25:28,970 --> 01:25:27,010
we need that but it'll be based on

1884
01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:28,980
something and you

1885
01:25:33,570 --> 01:25:31,240
as circulation

1886
01:25:35,670 --> 01:25:33,580
exactly like like clots Watson as I said

1887
01:25:37,470 --> 01:25:35,680
before this guy's got a PhD in physics

1888
01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:37,480
from Princeton the University that

1889
01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:39,190
Einstein taught after he came over from

1890
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:42,190
Germany okay probably one of the top two

1891
01:25:50,430 --> 01:25:49,630
or three physics or universities in the

1892
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:50,440
world okay

1893
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:52,690
Claude for the last thirty years has

1894
01:25:57,390 --> 01:25:55,930
been working on consciousness and the

1895
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:57,400
contact modalities how it's all

1896
01:26:01,500 --> 01:25:58,210
interrelated

1897
01:26:03,870 --> 01:26:01,510
Claude I was gonna say his book on

1898
01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:03,880
energy and Chi and all that kind of said

1899
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:09,310
was absolutely amazing it's an academic

1900
01:26:15,810 --> 01:26:13,030
okay so he's writing a chapter in our

1901
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:15,820
book say okay Claude you're 75 years old

1902
01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:18,550
okay you're gonna die six months from

1903
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:24,820
now this is what I told everybody I want

1904
01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:27,730
you to leave a legacy for Humanity okay

1905
01:26:32,820 --> 01:26:29,980
tell us what the is inside your

1906
01:26:36,630 --> 01:26:32,830
mind what the hell is going on how do

1907
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:36,640
you explain the relationship between

1908
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:40,960
consciousness or cosmology and contact

1909
01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:42,850
with non-human intelligence via the

1910
01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:44,500
contact modalities how do you explain

1911
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:46,720
that now as a background to your

1912
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:48,730
audience members okay when we're talking

1913
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:50,770
about the topic of consciousness

1914
01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:53,970
consciousness first of all in mainstream

1915
01:26:57,390 --> 01:26:56,140
materialist consciousness research is

1916
01:26:59,700 --> 01:26:57,400
mainly focused on the brain

1917
01:27:02,340 --> 01:26:59,710
consciousness starts and ends with the

1918
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,350
brain okay then you have a small group

1919
01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:04,000
of individuals that understand that

1920
01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:06,640
consciousness is non-local that

1921
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:08,470
consciousness is independent of the

1922
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:12,970
brain okay however both groups the local

1923
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:14,650
and the non-local you know researchers

1924
01:27:20,700 --> 01:27:17,730
of consciousness they rarely if are all

1925
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:20,710
bring into that conversation the topic

1926
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:24,510
of non-human intelligence okay

1927
01:27:28,170 --> 01:27:26,530
for example Dean Radin

1928
01:27:29,970 --> 01:27:28,180
we have an interview with them and

1929
01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:29,980
hopefully we release it in our

1930
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:33,160
documentary at least parts of it okay he

1931
01:27:38,100 --> 01:27:35,760
says that our organization the research

1932
01:27:40,589 --> 01:27:38,110
paradigm that we have in our

1933
01:27:42,689 --> 01:27:40,599
organization that what we want to do

1934
01:27:45,389 --> 01:27:42,699
is where ions the Institute of noetic

1935
01:27:47,069 --> 01:27:45,399
Sciences needs to go to he said it's

1936
01:27:49,649 --> 01:27:47,079
where the parapsychology

1937
01:27:52,799 --> 01:27:49,659
parapsychological Association needs to

1938
01:27:57,089 --> 01:27:52,809
move forward to okay yeah that's great

1939
01:27:58,679 --> 01:27:57,099
yeah no I was gonna say real quick

1940
01:28:01,889 --> 01:27:58,689
because you know I've read his books and

1941
01:28:03,839 --> 01:28:01,899
his books are awesome Dean Radin and I

1942
01:28:05,459 --> 01:28:03,849
actually tried to reach out to him

1943
01:28:07,589 --> 01:28:05,469
before you know and social networking

1944
01:28:09,659 --> 01:28:07,599
and and things like that about this

1945
01:28:11,849 --> 01:28:09,669
subject because I was I was fascinated

1946
01:28:13,949 --> 01:28:11,859
to hear what he would have to say you

1947
01:28:16,979 --> 01:28:13,959
know obviously my own experiences and c5

1948
01:28:19,529 --> 01:28:16,989
and whatever I had wanted to hear his

1949
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:19,539
feedback on that so that you know I love

1950
01:28:24,359 --> 01:28:22,570
to see that James after interview I'm

1951
01:28:26,849 --> 01:28:24,369
gonna send it to your personal email and

1952
01:28:28,830 --> 01:28:26,859
to Frank under the condition that you

1953
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:28,840
don't circulate it okay the

1954
01:28:33,060 --> 01:28:30,489
hour-and-a-half interview that we did

1955
01:28:35,759 --> 01:28:33,070
with Dean Radin okay and it really is

1956
01:28:39,569 --> 01:28:35,769
it's its paradigm busting its supporting

1957
01:28:41,909 --> 01:28:39,579
where we're going with this okay and so

1958
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:41,919
we asked that question too numerous

1959
01:28:46,319 --> 01:28:44,050
numerous individuals most of them are

1960
01:28:49,409 --> 01:28:46,329
academics one person that both of you

1961
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:49,419
know is dr. Joseph Burks okay because

1962
01:28:59,119 --> 01:28:56,320
the word MD Joseph Burke's MD okay and

1963
01:29:01,409 --> 01:28:59,129
and Joseph has his own particular

1964
01:29:04,169 --> 01:29:01,419
hypotheses of what might be going on but

1965
01:29:06,389 --> 01:29:04,179
he never wrote it out okay he was just

1966
01:29:07,889 --> 01:29:06,399
in our conversations that you know he

1967
01:29:09,959 --> 01:29:07,899
was explaining some of this of what he

1968
01:29:11,609 --> 01:29:09,969
thinks is behind this phenomenon I said

1969
01:29:13,139 --> 01:29:11,619
Joe well you just self-nominated

1970
01:29:16,409 --> 01:29:13,149
yourself to write a chapter in a book

1971
01:29:18,839 --> 01:29:16,419
okay what I want you to do is to put it

1972
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:18,849
down in writing for the first time the

1973
01:29:26,609 --> 01:29:21,510
many conversations that we've had okay

1974
01:29:27,869 --> 01:29:26,619
about the virtual experience yes yes let

1975
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:27,879
me give you a side note on that because

1976
01:29:33,509 --> 01:29:29,530
I was actually speaking with a friend

1977
01:29:34,949 --> 01:29:33,519
yeah who had you know is this my friends

1978
01:29:36,959 --> 01:29:34,959
actually we're scientists working on the

1979
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:36,969
stuff in the background Oh some people

1980
01:29:51,060 --> 01:29:41,199
know who he is but he's just one

1981
01:29:52,889 --> 01:29:51,070
component the virtual piece one piece of

1982
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:52,899
his theory his theory is multi-layered

1983
01:29:57,290 --> 01:29:54,210
that's just one layer

1984
01:30:00,140 --> 01:29:57,300
and but it was funny that somebody

1985
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:00,150
confirmed to me that in full wage way

1986
01:30:07,070 --> 01:30:04,080
also even in cases that he's studying at

1987
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:07,080
this moment this is seems to be kind of

1988
01:30:12,740 --> 01:30:09,000
evident you know so when I brought that

1989
01:30:15,140 --> 01:30:12,750
the virtual experience hypothesis or

1990
01:30:17,420 --> 01:30:15,150
modality to them you know they were

1991
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:17,430
basically saying yes Jaffa Lai has come

1992
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:21,330
to find the same thing and I wish I

1993
01:30:28,970 --> 01:30:22,800
could get him to write a chapter for a

1994
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:28,980
book we're having someone close we're

1995
01:30:34,580 --> 01:30:32,130
having Breton rains who's been in the

1996
01:30:38,990 --> 01:30:34,590
field of ufology for more than 45 years

1997
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:39,000
since he was a teenager and he is

1998
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:42,170
writing a book about John keel ok and so

1999
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:46,380
so brent is writing another chapter not

2000
01:30:55,930 --> 01:30:50,910
only about John keel but about John keel

2001
01:30:58,580 --> 01:30:55,940
Jacques Vallee Bernhard is his Schwarz

2002
01:31:02,090 --> 01:30:58,590
piece these psychologists who again had

2003
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:02,100
these uh non-local consciousness aspect

2004
01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:05,730
of the UFO contact phenomenon but very

2005
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:10,230
very similar the the theories among the

2006
01:31:15,410 --> 01:31:13,050
the three but it's a it's quite

2007
01:31:17,890 --> 01:31:15,420
different from each other but what what

2008
01:31:20,690 --> 01:31:17,900
holds them together is that

2009
01:31:25,300 --> 01:31:20,700
consciousness is involved the paranormal

2010
01:31:27,620 --> 01:31:25,310
is involved and the non non

2011
01:31:30,740 --> 01:31:27,630
extraterrestrial hypotheses mixed with

2012
01:31:32,930 --> 01:31:30,750
the paranormal is is involved so that's

2013
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:32,940
where our book is heading towards we

2014
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:35,489
have the dr. Rudi shields dr. John clemo

2015
01:31:41,570 --> 01:31:37,890
who's the world's one of the world's

2016
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:41,580
leading academics on the paranormal he's

2017
01:31:47,180 --> 01:31:44,940
was a tenured professor for 40 years and

2018
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:47,190
most of his research in writings was on

2019
01:31:51,770 --> 01:31:49,050
the paranormal this is dr. John clemo

2020
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:51,780
so he's writing a chapter for a book

2021
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:53,820
Edgar before he died he had agreed to

2022
01:32:00,610 --> 01:31:57,600
publish his what I call his magnum opus

2023
01:32:02,690 --> 01:32:00,620
major around that's on reason yeah

2024
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:02,700
unconsciousness in the quantum hologram

2025
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:05,130
that's going to be in our book so I mean

2026
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:07,679
that this book is is a paradigm

2027
01:32:12,860 --> 01:32:10,560
busting book as it's gone establish a

2028
01:32:14,899 --> 01:32:12,870
theoretical mindset of how to approach

2029
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:14,909
the topic of UFO from a theoretical

2030
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:18,150
perspective now again yeah when do you

2031
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:20,010
think we're gonna that might see the

2032
01:32:23,020 --> 01:32:20,610
light of day

2033
01:32:26,630 --> 01:32:23,030
probably the summer of this coming year

2034
01:32:28,370 --> 01:32:26,640
awesome yeah and again we're not saying

2035
01:32:31,310 --> 01:32:28,380
that anyone has the answers here these

2036
01:32:34,189 --> 01:32:31,320
are just hypotheses but again hypotheses

2037
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:34,199
from brilliant individuals yeah well

2038
01:32:38,450 --> 01:32:36,120
we're not talking Laura Eisenhower

2039
01:32:42,380 --> 01:32:38,460
talking about you know her experience

2040
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:42,390
with reptilians here ok yeah yeah oh

2041
01:32:47,570 --> 01:32:46,290
yeah well you know we're coming to the

2042
01:32:50,300 --> 01:32:47,580
end of the show over here just because

2043
01:32:53,419 --> 01:32:50,310
you know we had a lot to do this has

2044
01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:53,429
been a fantastic discussion Greg you

2045
01:32:56,030 --> 01:32:54,420
know I definitely

2046
01:32:59,209 --> 01:32:56,040
we're gonna have some we're gonna have

2047
01:33:01,490 --> 01:32:59,219
some private talk soon but you know

2048
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:01,500
thank you so much for coming on I do

2049
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:06,239
have one question for you yes I do not

2050
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:09,330
have to answer this I understand if you

2051
01:33:14,930 --> 01:33:10,400
do not want to go there

2052
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:14,940
but what is the rumor with them that TSA

2053
01:33:18,169 --> 01:33:17,310
wanted to see your database or something

2054
01:33:21,290 --> 01:33:18,179
along those lines

2055
01:33:23,959 --> 01:33:21,300
answer that otherwise no no no I think

2056
01:33:27,020 --> 01:33:23,969
grant got it wrong when I told it to him

2057
01:33:35,050 --> 01:33:27,030
okay yeah III could talk about it you

2058
01:33:37,070 --> 01:33:35,060
know what happened was that we had a PhD

2059
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:37,080
neuroscientist that was a member of our

2060
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:39,570
board of directors and one of the chairs

2061
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:41,850
of our research study for about two and

2062
01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:46,890
a half years dr. Bob Davis okay and he's

2063
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:49,560
no longer associated with free but he

2064
01:33:54,979 --> 01:33:52,650
was an integral component for for many

2065
01:33:58,220 --> 01:33:54,989
many years and Bob is a retired

2066
01:34:03,200 --> 01:33:58,230
professor of neuroscience he got a PhD

2067
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:03,210
from Ohio State and he taught in upstate

2068
01:34:08,050 --> 01:34:05,130
New York at one of the sunís I don't

2069
01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:08,060
know where I was SUNY Binghamton er

2070
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:11,310
wonderful even SUNY Albany were a

2071
01:34:15,020 --> 01:34:13,890
professor kevin can do this I forgot

2072
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:15,030
which one no I don't think was Albany

2073
01:34:18,459 --> 01:34:17,130
okay but it was was one of the Sunnis

2074
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:18,469
okay so

2075
01:34:27,370 --> 01:34:20,750
we're talking about a real-deal academic

2076
01:34:29,290 --> 01:34:27,380
professor here okay and so anyway he

2077
01:34:31,300 --> 01:34:29,300
eventually became interested in what we

2078
01:34:36,180 --> 01:34:31,310
were doing because he had written a book

2079
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,190
about UFOs saying that basically that

2080
01:34:39,670 --> 01:34:38,480
ufology has given us very very little

2081
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:39,680
over seventy years

2082
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:43,489
okay and that we need to be able to

2083
01:34:48,430 --> 01:34:46,090
establish scientific research study

2084
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:48,440
instead of just what had been going on

2085
01:34:53,979 --> 01:34:51,170
you know but really to put in a lot of

2086
01:34:55,959 --> 01:34:53,989
money to study this scientifically and

2087
01:34:58,420 --> 01:34:55,969
so I had a phone call with him and I

2088
01:34:59,979 --> 01:34:58,430
told him I said Bob you know this is so

2089
01:35:03,430 --> 01:34:59,989
much more than the nuts and bolts

2090
01:35:04,660 --> 01:35:03,440
ufology you know and then over many

2091
01:35:07,390 --> 01:35:04,670
months I would give him a lot of

2092
01:35:09,670 --> 01:35:07,400
materials to read and he became totally

2093
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:09,680
fascinated so then at a certain point

2094
01:35:14,050 --> 01:35:11,600
where he became interested I said would

2095
01:35:15,550 --> 01:35:14,060
you like to join us and he joined us so

2096
01:35:16,959 --> 01:35:15,560
anyway he was working with us for over

2097
01:35:19,959 --> 01:35:16,969
two and a half years he made tremendous

2098
01:35:22,030 --> 01:35:19,969
contributions to what we were doing he

2099
01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:22,040
really was was a foundation together

2100
01:35:25,750 --> 01:35:23,390
with dr. John clemo

2101
01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:25,760
you know and myself you know towards uh

2102
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:27,920
for this research study so what had

2103
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:29,930
happened was that he didn't know he

2104
01:35:34,270 --> 01:35:31,690
didn't let me know but he reached out to

2105
01:35:38,290 --> 01:35:34,280
to Tom the long okay

2106
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:38,300
and so Tom DeLonge then set up a time to

2107
01:35:47,620 --> 01:35:42,530
to discuss with us okay now with me my

2108
01:35:51,340 --> 01:35:47,630
position was that while I don't agree at

2109
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:51,350
all with Tom DeLong's statements that he

2110
01:35:56,140 --> 01:35:53,210
made in the Jimmy Church radio interview

2111
01:36:01,560 --> 01:35:56,150
where he said yeah where he said we need

2112
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,720
yeah and we need to throw nuclear bombs

2113
01:36:09,010 --> 01:36:07,040
out in outer space to squash like bugs

2114
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:09,020
and and I said this guy's freaking crazy

2115
01:36:13,660 --> 01:36:12,170
you know and then you know and then I

2116
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:13,670
you know realized that is it to you that

2117
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:15,770
he has never had an experience and all

2118
01:36:22,030 --> 01:36:19,330
he did was just to read UFO books and

2119
01:36:25,209 --> 01:36:22,040
naturally if you read you know four of

2120
01:36:26,919 --> 01:36:25,219
David Jacobs books you know yeah that's

2121
01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:26,929
what you're gonna get you know and so

2122
01:36:32,350 --> 01:36:29,780
and plus there was never any academic

2123
01:36:34,570 --> 01:36:32,360
research on on the UFO contact

2124
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:34,580
phenomenon with non-heme intelligence

2125
01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:35,570
we're talking about I'm from the

2126
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:37,310
experiencer side there have been a lot

2127
01:36:41,290 --> 01:36:39,650
of books on you know Roswell running

2128
01:36:43,390 --> 01:36:41,300
some forests and you know a lot of cases

2129
01:36:46,810 --> 01:36:43,400
you know but but from the experiencer

2130
01:36:48,729 --> 01:36:46,820
side nothing ok so and so then you know

2131
01:36:50,620 --> 01:36:48,739
we're on the phone call with us and and

2132
01:36:52,359 --> 01:36:50,630
this guy was telling about to us that

2133
01:36:53,919 --> 01:36:52,369
he's gonna be raising millions of

2134
01:36:55,419 --> 01:36:53,929
dollars for this millions of dollar for

2135
01:36:57,490 --> 01:36:55,429
that million for that and he says but

2136
01:36:59,859 --> 01:36:57,500
he's got no one that's working on the

2137
01:37:02,200 --> 01:36:59,869
experiencer side to do research on the

2138
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:02,210
experiencer and that the academics and

2139
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:05,330
free that eventually he can pay for our

2140
01:37:10,180 --> 01:37:08,690
research okay yeah and so he said and

2141
01:37:12,430 --> 01:37:10,190
you Ray you don't have to work anymore

2142
01:37:13,780 --> 01:37:12,440
you know like cuz I I'm a tax attorney

2143
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,790
he says you know you don't have to work

2144
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:15,440
anymore we can pay for it okay

2145
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:17,600
and so it's not like he wanted to buy

2146
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:20,690
the data you know but he said basically

2147
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:23,690
you can come and work for us now I

2148
01:37:28,030 --> 01:37:26,000
always had the position that the

2149
01:37:30,700 --> 01:37:28,040
research that we were doing has to be

2150
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,710
totally independent totally independent

2151
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:32,960
they cannot be manipulated from any

2152
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:35,690
outside source or used for any outside

2153
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:38,210
you know agenda the data will speak for

2154
01:37:41,470 --> 01:37:39,650
itself if it came out that it was

2155
01:37:42,609 --> 01:37:41,480
negative then that's what it is if it

2156
01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:42,619
came out there was this way it was that

2157
01:37:48,850 --> 01:37:46,280
way you know and and that's how everyone

2158
01:37:51,250 --> 01:37:48,860
in organization approach this okay that

2159
01:37:53,649 --> 01:37:51,260
led the day to speak for itself so you

2160
01:37:56,109 --> 01:37:53,659
know at that point I interjected myself

2161
01:37:57,490 --> 01:37:56,119
and I told him I said you know we're not

2162
01:37:59,530 --> 01:37:57,500
interested in associating with you

2163
01:38:02,290 --> 01:37:59,540
because it appears like you have your

2164
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:02,300
own personal agenda I told them your own

2165
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:04,130
personal mindset of how you view this

2166
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:08,080
phenomenon and it's not what our data is

2167
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:11,090
revealing our data shows the complete

2168
01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:15,290
opposite okay so we're not here to to

2169
01:38:21,010 --> 01:38:17,710
work with any outside organization and

2170
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:21,020
and we're here to approach this in an

2171
01:38:27,790 --> 01:38:24,320
academic and an unbiased way to continue

2172
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:27,800
doing this research and that and that

2173
01:38:32,109 --> 01:38:30,080
also our approach is not materialist

2174
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,119
that we're really focusing on the

2175
01:38:39,149 --> 01:38:34,880
consciousness aspect of it and and

2176
01:38:41,589 --> 01:38:39,159
that's how we left it yeah and yeah and

2177
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:41,599
and so it wasn't like he was trying to

2178
01:38:45,820 --> 01:38:45,050
buy our data you know it was a little

2179
01:38:48,590 --> 01:38:45,830
bit more

2180
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:48,600
complicated than that yeah I appreciate

2181
01:38:53,420 --> 01:38:51,900
you for clearing that up that I first

2182
01:38:55,940 --> 01:38:53,430
heard it mentioned that there was any

2183
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:55,950
you know it's surprising - I mean you

2184
01:38:59,810 --> 01:38:57,810
gotta give yourself some credit for that

2185
01:39:02,780 --> 01:38:59,820
that a time DeLong was interested in

2186
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:02,790
your work you know and of course Tom

2187
01:39:08,180 --> 01:39:05,970
DeLonge I you know I'm optimist that he

2188
01:39:10,820 --> 01:39:08,190
he's doing what he's what he thinks is

2189
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:10,830
right you know I don't think that he's

2190
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:13,410
trying to be malicious with his the way

2191
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,450
he perceives this I think that you know

2192
01:39:20,060 --> 01:39:18,480
if anything he's you know of course like

2193
01:39:22,010 --> 01:39:20,070
again he didn't have his own experience

2194
01:39:25,460 --> 01:39:22,020
so he's he's basing a lot of this other

2195
01:39:28,190 --> 01:39:25,470
stuff on theories of other people and

2196
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:28,200
and allegedly what he's what information

2197
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:30,810
is he's being fed through his different

2198
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:34,050
contacts but again you know you have

2199
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:35,370
different people being fed information

2200
01:39:38,390 --> 01:39:36,480
and they're coming out with these

2201
01:39:41,390 --> 01:39:38,400
different stories you have Tom DeLonge

2202
01:39:44,090 --> 01:39:41,400
who you know has all these insiders

2203
01:39:47,390 --> 01:39:44,100
allegedly well he does have them and

2204
01:39:49,310 --> 01:39:47,400
he's kind of has this negative spin on

2205
01:39:51,470 --> 01:39:49,320
the phenomenon that you know it's a bad

2206
01:39:54,350 --> 01:39:51,480
thing for us and then you have dr. Greer

2207
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:54,360
who has all the you know he has insiders

2208
01:39:59,840 --> 01:39:56,570
as well and he has a completely

2209
01:40:02,180 --> 01:39:59,850
different story you know regardless of

2210
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:02,190
dr. Greer is persona and all that he you

2211
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:05,010
know he has a different message even

2212
01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:07,290
though they're they probably have you

2213
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:08,760
know carry over on their on their

2214
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:10,260
insiders their price because some of the

2215
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:13,860
same people yeah but for both groups the

2216
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:17,280
key here is that the basic statistical

2217
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:20,970
research was never done and and that's

2218
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,370
why you know if you speak to enough

2219
01:40:27,710 --> 01:40:25,920
people that you associate with you know

2220
01:40:30,020 --> 01:40:27,720
you're gonna be getting certain

2221
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:30,030
information if you as I said if I hang

2222
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:31,560
out with David Jacobs you know for the

2223
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:33,510
next three years I'm gonna be meeting a

2224
01:40:37,970 --> 01:40:35,460
whole lot of people that he associates

2225
01:40:39,860 --> 01:40:37,980
with that have that perspective if I

2226
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:39,870
hang out with Steven Greer you know for

2227
01:40:44,060 --> 01:40:42,600
three years I'm gonna be introduced to

2228
01:40:46,430 --> 01:40:44,070
people that have you know his

2229
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:46,440
perspective and but but again that's not

2230
01:40:50,060 --> 01:40:48,090
academic research you know academic

2231
01:40:54,230 --> 01:40:50,070
research needs to be totally independent

2232
01:40:56,420 --> 01:40:54,240
it has to be done under an academic

2233
01:40:59,300 --> 01:40:56,430
research methodology for example dr.

2234
01:41:01,520 --> 01:40:59,310
John clemo who taught

2235
01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:01,530
wanted to give me qualitative research

2236
01:41:07,550 --> 01:41:03,750
methodology for over 40 years

2237
01:41:09,860 --> 01:41:07,560
okay he and he was the chair of our

2238
01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:09,870
academic research study okay here's the

2239
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:11,400
guy that actually taught research

2240
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:13,860
academic research at the graduate level

2241
01:41:18,530 --> 01:41:16,650
for master's and PhD students you know

2242
01:41:20,450 --> 01:41:18,540
he was in charge of it and we had a

2243
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:20,460
whole team of people that were pedes

2244
01:41:26,990 --> 01:41:23,520
these that took our could research

2245
01:41:28,700 --> 01:41:27,000
methodology at a graduate level I had

2246
01:41:31,550 --> 01:41:28,710
you know I had a year and a half of

2247
01:41:33,890 --> 01:41:31,560
Statistics you know these are the people

2248
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,900
that were involved in developing this so

2249
01:41:37,730 --> 01:41:35,820
you know just hanging around with Steve

2250
01:41:41,210 --> 01:41:37,740
angry or David Jacobs that's not

2251
01:41:42,980 --> 01:41:41,220
academic research or Tom DeLonge and and

2252
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,990
and and that's where we're we're at you

2253
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,360
know it has to be grounded in in in

2254
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:48,000
science and academics you gotta go out

2255
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,440
you got to do the work you got to get

2256
01:41:54,050 --> 01:41:51,600
the data and you got to get it from you

2257
01:41:56,890 --> 01:41:54,060
know more than just a few dozen people

2258
01:42:00,320 --> 01:41:56,900
what what you guys did

2259
01:42:02,510 --> 01:42:00,330
3200 that plus respondents that's a lot

2260
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:02,520
of data yeah from over a hundred

2261
01:42:09,650 --> 01:42:06,420
countries yeah we did it in multiple

2262
01:42:11,180 --> 01:42:09,660
languages and in the different languages

2263
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:11,190
we still get the same results actually

2264
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:13,260
in Spanish that's even more of a

2265
01:42:20,270 --> 01:42:16,770
transformation and more positive the

2266
01:42:22,340 --> 01:42:20,280
experiences you're right you have

2267
01:42:25,220 --> 01:42:22,350
anything else for us we're just about

2268
01:42:28,430 --> 01:42:25,230
ready to wrap up here no it's just that

2269
01:42:31,130 --> 01:42:28,440
our documentary will probably take about

2270
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,140
another year to develop we're a volume

2271
01:42:37,450 --> 01:42:34,320
two book is gonna be put out in the

2272
01:42:41,060 --> 01:42:37,460
summer of next year our website is

2273
01:42:43,090 --> 01:42:41,070
experience org we have two websites the

2274
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:43,100
other website is consciousness and

2275
01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:45,090
contact org

2276
01:42:50,690 --> 01:42:47,580
and then if anyone wants to send me an

2277
01:42:53,180 --> 01:42:50,700
email and if you want to receive a copy

2278
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:53,190
of chapter one which is the main chapter

2279
01:42:55,970 --> 01:42:55,260
of our book and I'm just gonna send it

2280
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:55,980
out to you for free

2281
01:43:04,010 --> 01:42:59,250
send us an email to info at experience

2282
01:43:06,590 --> 01:43:04,020
org info at experiencer dot org and and

2283
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:06,600
myself married rod Roland dr. Rudy

2284
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:09,330
shields have been invited to speak at

2285
01:43:15,290 --> 01:43:12,330
several major in UFO conferences

2286
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:15,300
first one is UFO Megacon and that's

2287
01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:19,130
gotta be in March of 20 of this year

2288
01:43:25,730 --> 01:43:23,100
2019 UFO Megacon we were also invited to

2289
01:43:30,650 --> 01:43:25,740
speak at contact in the desert and

2290
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:30,660
that's the first week of June and all of

2291
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:32,370
us all three of us will be there in the

2292
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:35,040
first time the UFO Megacon conference

2293
01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:36,510
which is going to be held in Las Vegas

2294
01:43:38,690 --> 01:43:38,070
where all three of us are going to be

2295
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:38,700
together

2296
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:41,370
and I was also invited to speak at the

2297
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:45,150
Arkansas UFO conference and that is in

2298
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:51,510
May of 2019 and the lady from Dolores

2299
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:53,610
cannons press her daughter

2300
01:44:01,190 --> 01:43:56,130
I forgot the formal name of the company

2301
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:01,200
is interested in publishing a a smaller

2302
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:04,770
revised version of freeze research and

2303
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:07,230
of our theoretical book we're going to

2304
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:10,050
be merging them both together putting it

2305
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:12,960
under 250 pages and reading it and

2306
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:16,800
presenting it so the masses the

2307
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:19,920
non-academic audience is able to

2308
01:44:26,420 --> 01:44:22,410
understand what what we're doing that's

2309
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:26,430
good idea well this is a fantastic array

2310
01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:28,290
I certainly appreciate you coming on

2311
01:44:33,020 --> 01:44:30,060
with this we covered everything that

2312
01:44:38,290 --> 01:44:33,030
we're looking to cover and James you got

2313
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:38,300
anything else of course I do but we got

2314
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:41,550
ours ray you know I could probably talk

2315
01:44:47,390 --> 01:44:44,040
to you for days days days it's nonstop

2316
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:47,400
this is a fascinating and we have not

2317
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:49,050
spoken about my experiences which is

2318
01:44:55,580 --> 01:44:53,370
great you know I appreciate that

2319
01:44:57,500 --> 01:44:55,590
to an extent because for me too I like

2320
01:44:59,570 --> 01:44:57,510
to focus on the work and and yeah and

2321
01:45:01,610 --> 01:44:59,580
the data and stuff like that and and

2322
01:45:03,290 --> 01:45:01,620
communicating that because you know our

2323
01:45:05,180 --> 01:45:03,300
our own experiences are kind of like

2324
01:45:09,770 --> 01:45:05,190
impetuses themselves to kind of get

2325
01:45:11,060 --> 01:45:09,780
involved in them take this on you know

2326
01:45:12,860 --> 01:45:11,070
and and you know they can be very

2327
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:12,870
personal well I understand that yeah I

2328
01:45:17,570 --> 01:45:14,610
don't mind talking about it in the

2329
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,580
proper form but but but what it does it

2330
01:45:21,650 --> 01:45:19,440
just takes up a lot of time even talking

2331
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:21,660
about this yeah and if you mix it with

2332
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:23,490
the data you're gonna get comments from

2333
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:26,449
people saying this guy so he's

2334
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:29,489
yeah yeah and that's you know that's not

2335
01:45:33,620 --> 01:45:31,770
my battle with one of the the work I'm

2336
01:45:34,939 --> 01:45:33,630
doing is that you know I like I don't

2337
01:45:39,140 --> 01:45:34,949
put my own stuff out there like that I

2338
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:39,150
just focus on the work yeah yeah and but

2339
01:45:48,020 --> 01:45:41,610
you know hope you know we'll definitely

2340
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:48,030
have you on again especially and also

2341
01:45:52,300 --> 01:45:49,770
hanging around after you stop the

2342
01:45:54,350 --> 01:45:52,310
recording and we can continue to chat

2343
01:45:56,030 --> 01:45:54,360
yeah yeah right

2344
01:45:57,650 --> 01:45:56,040
well I look sad let's get right to that

2345
01:46:00,260 --> 01:45:57,660
let's wrap it up thanks everybody for

2346
01:46:02,180 --> 01:46:00,270
joining in first Christmas present I

2347
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:02,190
think you got a good one we got more on

2348
01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:02,610
the way

2349
01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:05,400
rave thanks so very much again everybody

2350
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:07,260
have a great week and that we will see

2351
01:46:11,630 --> 01:46:09,360
you next week with our tour to circle

2352
01:46:14,570 --> 01:46:11,640
round table featuring the one and only

2353
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:14,580
Ryan from post disclosure world